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We're codesharing with who...or is it whom...I always forget, but who cares? I should be writing this in Spanish...do you write in Spanish? Wow, I'm struggling today with what few writing skills I have,  probably because I'm so excited about the announcement of our second International codeshare partner - Volaris.
 
It's Volaris...yes Volaris! You know, if you fuse the Spanish word volar (to fly) with the word Polaris (North Star) you get Volaris? Well, that's how they came up with their name, and I think it's a pretty cool name. What's even cooler is that Volaris is an exceptional low-cost airline flying in Mexico. They are focused on high levels of Customer Service and provide a great inflight experience. Volaris plans to begin flying in to the US sometime in 2009 and will become Southwest Airlines' Mexico codeshare partner in early 2010. If you haven't heard of Volaris, here's a little information that should give you a feel for them and why we think they will be a great partner!
 
Like our new codeshare partner WestJet, Volaris presently serves some pretty cool destinations...or should I say hot destinations! Places like Cancun, Cabo, Puerto Vallarta, and Acapulco are certainly great places to vacation. Mexico City (via Toluca), Monterrey, and Guadalajara are great business travel destinations and will complement our efforts to attract more business travelers.
 
Also, like WestJet, Volaris has a fun corporate culture. On one of our visits to their Headquarters, their VP of Sales was having his head shaved in front of the Volaris Employees—it was payback for the Employees who had met a revenue goal that he challenged them to meet. Their Employees are very energetic and love their airline. Their Customers join in the fun as well. They recently had an inflight concert! My favorite Customer experience was influenced by the free tequila and cerveza they served! They also give away Krispy Kreme donuts! It's a regular Fiesta!!! Oh yes, and every Volaris plane is named after one of their valued Customers. I can't wait to see Ricardo!
 
Unlike WestJet, Volaris is an unknown brand in the US. Although they are relatively small and certainly new (they began flying in 2006), Volaris has proven themselves itself as a successful and viable airline and are developing a new generation of flyers in Mexico. Coupled with the Southwest brand, network, and Customer base, the opportunities are huge.
 
Okay, enough of my rambling, whadoyouthink? 
 

 

302 Comments
Anonymous299
Explorer C
If Southwest Airlines can start a code-share agreement to generate a modest amount of revenue, with little to no risk, I say its a great thing! With that said, why is Southwest STILL NOT entering the largest origin and destination market (NYC) in the world? I say open up shop in NYC(LGA has an opp for 14 slots), HNL, SJU and even CLT with the profits this so called code-share with these international carriers will create. TAKE A CHANCE. All of the legacy carriers are expanding internationally including USAirways to TLV who has been bankrupt how many times? Employee morale is down, profits are stagnate. No one wants to change planes and carriers when they can get a nice comfortable non-stop on the jetBlues and the AirTrans of America. Good luck Southwest, what happend to that Warrior Spirit? I think your employees can handle- and would have been willing to accept the challenge. You better do something, and something quick to rekindle an excitment with your employees and your shareholders.
Concerned_Emplo11
Explorer C
It is disappointing to see growth to foreign countries being facilitated by a US company, when that company is capable of doing the work itself, and its employees are working without contracts for over 2 years. SWA should refocus on invigorating its product, rebuilding morale, and getting into the mindset of growing ITS OWN PRODUCT, RATHER THAN FOREIGN CARRIERS.
Concerned_Emplo111
Explorer C
My faith in our leadership is lost. Diluting our hard-earned brand with foreign carriers to fly flights that we could be doing tomorrow is unbelievable. I don't believe in our company anymore. You are outsourcing our jobs and nearly everyone knows it. If you won't protect my career and career expectations, how can you expect me to go above and beyond and provide POS? Herb has left the building and I'm not impressed with our new direction. I'm no longer drinking koolaid, Just a Number
Anonymous705
Explorer C
For the first time in 6 years, I just don't care anymore. SWA has become a job, not an exciting career. So much for the employees going above and beyond, the minimum will be enough.
A_very_concerne
Explorer C
This all started wth ATA - " we just want the gates" - now this. Instead of a CEO, SWA has a CFO in charge. The real leadership left with Herb.
Anonymous102
Explorer C
I wouldn't trust a newer upstart Mexican carrier to keep the safety record of LUV. Bad news for LUV employees
Anonymous2114
Explorer C
CODE-SHARE = OUTSOURCING OF USA JOBS !!!!!
Confused_Custom
Explorer C
Like many of Southwest employees' I don't understand why they just don't fly the routes themselves? AA packs out several flights a day to Cancun for $600 a pop, why would we send these jobs south?
Employee1
Explorer C
I'm shocked at all the employee negativity on this site. While codesharing clearly isn't in the best interest of those who rely on seniority for their careers (me being one of them) we are currently in the worst economic times since the great depression. Unless you live under a rock, you know every major bank is in trouble. All the american car companies are in trouble. If they fail the aftershocks to other companies will cause about 3,000,000 people with lost jobs. The last thing unemployed people and people on a tight budget do is spend money on flying. This codeshare sucks!! BUT I bet if we weren't in such bad economic times we would be flying our own metal. Despite what the Canadian post says we would kick tail in Canada and Mexico. Gary hasn't led us astray yet but I do hope to hear from him soon because this negativity needs to stop or we will all be on the street looking for jobs.
_______________1
Explorer C
Mr. Kelly, Are you listening to all of these negative comments? It seems as though nobody has any faith in your abilities. Employees losing faith. Customers. And most important to you, Wall Street has shown zero faith in your leadership during your entire tenure. Code share is only good for management and their bloated bonuses. Thanks for continuing on the outsourcing of American jobs path. That has worked SO well for your CEO contemporaries. Sign me unwilling to go the extra mile with Mr. Kelly at the helm.
Anonymous895
Explorer C
To All Our Customers Out There: Who do you trust flying you around the country....Southwest Airlines Pilots and Flight Attendents OR some upstart airline in Mexico with an UNKNOWN record??? Leave the flying to us....we are not dummies. We have the money, resources, AND safety record to do this type of flying and get you to your destinations safely. Our pilots come from all backgrounds. To say that we have NO international experience, is an understatement. We have former astronauts, military members, regional pilots, etc.... With our experience, international flying will not be a problem at all. Think about this....what's going to happen when this upstart airline, with inexperienced pilots, were to have some type of safety incident? Who do you trust, our pilots who've all around the world....even in the most hostile environments, OR some upstart airline who is virtually unknown??? ANOTHER concerned employee
Anonymous2930
Explorer B
After wading through 100+ post’s worth of the same apparent union talking points trashing the codeshare, it’s clear that most of the people protesting here don’t have a solid grasp of the realities of today’s airline environment. To be sure, SWA could operate its own metal to Canadian and Mexican destinations, but as with most choices, there are pros and cons. International ops are not the same as domestic ops, and anyone who truly knows anything about SWA history knows that our operations are predicated open the ability to efficiently turn aircraft around, which is something that international ops are not especially conducive to. The fear-mongering claims of out-sourcing aside, the desire by employees to “grow” the airline to international destinations with SWA metal and personnel is understandable, but there is a time and a place for everything. There are still plenty of domestic destinations and routes as yet unserved that provide that advancement path for personnel, so it’s not an either/or situation with respect to international ops. If anything, the Westjet/Volaris codesharing is actually risk-sharing, and also allows for the concurrent development of both international and domestic markets, presuming that the economy doesn’t tank any further and recovers. As we saw with the two previous codeshares, they’re not forever, and when it’s deemed to be in SWA’s best corporate interest to serve international destinations ourselves, we undoubtedly will. Until then, codesharing is a viable option. Perhaps all the armchair CEOs posting here could focus their efforts on doing their own jobs and serving the Customers, and leave the executive decisions of the airline to Gary Kelly (and it boggles me that some here can’t even spell his name correctly) and our other leaders. Call me a mindless drone or Kool-aid drinker if you must to make yourself feel better, but doing so doesn’t change the underlying fundamentals of the economy and industry today, nor how SWA must deal with them.
AC
Explorer C
The Southwest Spirit is alive and well. The Southwest family continues to lead the industry in terms of Customer Service, our People, operations, and financial health, all the while truly giving America the Freedom to Fly. This codeshare with Volaris - along with the previously announced agreement with WestJet, new service to Minneapolis/St. Paul, inflight Wi-Fi,...the list goes on and on - helps to ensure that Southwest is best positioned for any and all growth opportunities that lie ahead. It's an exciting time for the Southwest Family, for our Customers, and for the those that have yet to have had the opportunity to fly with us. This codeshare, which connects the network of our innovative, intensely Customer-oriented company with that of an innovative, intensely Customer-oriented airline from south of the border, only enhances the future of Southwest Airlines by giving our Customers greater travel options, allowing our Employees the opportunity to win over even more hearts of the travelling public, and cementing Southwest's role as the industry leader. I'm thrilled with this announcement.
Anonymous4182
Explorer C
Southwest Airlines is a very diverse airlines and hires people from all walks of life and every ethnic background. Volaris, on the other hand, will only hire Mexican employees. Not only will Volaris be taking jobs away from Southwest Airline employees, management is handing over revenue to a company who is blatantly practicing discrimination... Way to go Gary Kelly, working for peanuts just took on a whole new meaning... POS always stood for "Positively Outrageous Service", I'm sure it has a different meaning to the employees with regards to codesharing...
Anonymous644
Explorer C
I wonder if it's possible to outsource management to Richard Branson? ****************************************** Brilliant! ....Or code-share management with JetBlue?
_______________1
Explorer C
Seems like Mr. Kelly has lost the LUV. This is nothing more than outsourcing of jobs. Executive office jobs are next. Open your eyes people. Mr. Kelly does not LUV you. He LUVs money. Mr. Kelly LUVs Wall Street. Wall Street has not returned the LUV. Mr. Kelly gets huge bonuses and stock options. You get to deal with "doing more with less".
Anonymous2226
Explorer C
MANY other airlines have been codesharing for YEARS! Why does everyone all of a sudden thinks it's a bad thing? ....BECAUSE THEY only know SWA and forget there's a world out there much bigger than where you work!!!!!! People, remember that by starting out with a codeshare we can see what works and what doesn't before we jump in head first. If a codeshare fails, you stop selling it.... if a new route on WN metal fails you have a WHOLE other mess to clean up. We have employees who can't even tell the difference between a -300 and -700 and you seriously think we're ready to do Intl paperwork and fly Intl......HAHA! It's not as easy as you think. OPEN YOUR MINDS.... in order to fly Intl a lot here would change and when we've got people who can't even dress appropriately or act accordingly I don't think we have any business leaving the country with that. We're not a regional airline, we're the biggest in the USA and until we realize that and act like it then we have no business going elsewhere. I for one trust that the company is being smart and that these codeshares are a good thing.
Anonymous3508
Explorer C
So let me get this straight again: Southwest Airlines doesn't have the resources to initiate international service but Volaris, JetBlue, Airtran and Spirit do? Didn't we spent millions in revamping our customers facilities and in the "new" boarding process? Mmmmmmmm
Kicked_in_the_T
Explorer C
Dear traveling public, in the interest of your safety, please ensure you utilize a US based Flag carrier for all your foreign travel needs. American, Continental, Jetblue, etc. You cannot trust your life on a third world country startup. Just read the small print about liabilty on the back of that international boarding card...
Anonymous2482
Explorer C
To ALL Customers--- As an employee of Southwest Airlines, I feel it important to apologize for all the negativity on this particular topic. We ALL appreciate your business and get great joy out of getting you to all of your important life events - safely. This codeshare is and will be an exciting time in our Company's history and we hope we'll still see you on board either in Tulsa or Toluca, Cleveland or Cancun. Employee — Tue, 11/11/2008 - 03:04 ***************************************************** It'll be to Tulsa and Cleveland brownoser! add Amarillo and Midland for fun. I will also like to apologize to our customers for being so misleading (business select, wi-fi, international destinations you can go with your RR points) and promising so much and not really delivering... I will also like to apologize for having 6-hour -ong flights with only 2 lavatories and 2 trash containers (and no entertainment). And for having grumpy crews sometimes... We don't get breaks!
Anonymous3273
Explorer C
Don't think for a moment that you will get the SWA quality of service on this carrier. SWA should be flying and operating these routes themselves.
Customer
Explorer C
Your customers are not impressed with the way you're acting in this particular blog discussion. Isn't this kind of the High School way to deal with your concerns? Most of you are disregarding what the customers have said which is rude, dumping on your new partner which is rude because they didn't do anything to you, and talking about what a pain it is and how you don't plan to go the extra when your job in particular isn't changing AT ALL and not exactly calling out to customers to fly with you. This is LAME.
Anonymous4106
Explorer C
Why hasn't our leadership displayed the Warrior Spirit that we are always urged to display? Our company has retreated into its peanut shell. Our "Big Announcements" are now announcing growth in other companies, and glee that we can make money from outsourcing via our website. How sad.
Anonymous59
Explorer C
As an employee, I am concerned about the direction our management is taking this company. With this annoucement it shows an alarming trend to continue to outsource our jobs. For 30 + years Herb and his management team always put his customers and employees first. They built this airline into a well known brand, known for the great service the employees provided. Mr. Kelly, while a smart "money guy", he is on course to unravel one of the greatest mangement-labor relations an airline has ever enjoyed. I would hope that Mr. Kelly rethinks his direction for this airline or we will go by the way like so many others before!
Anonymous1325
Explorer C
People, remember that by starting out with a codeshare we can see what works and what doesn't before we jump in head first. If a codeshare fails, you stop selling it.... if a new route on WN metal fails you have a WHOLE other mess to clean up. We have employees who can't even tell the difference between a -300 and -700 and you seriously think we're ready to do Intl paperwork and fly Intl......HAHA! It's not as easy as you think. OPEN YOUR MINDS.... in order to fly Intl a lot here would change and when we've got people who can't even dress appropriately or act accordingly I don't think we have any business leaving the country with that. We're not a regional airline, we're the biggest in the USA and until we realize that and act like it then we have no business going elsewhere. I for one trust that the company is being smart and that these codeshares are a good thing. ************ Wow! I bet management shares this view. In a nutshell: Y'all are a bunch of ignorant rednecks not capable of working and international flight.... Although, ok to fly domestically.
Anonymous3856
Explorer C
I will also like to apologize for having 6-hour -ong flights with only 2 lavatories and 2 trash containers (and no entertainment). And for having grumpy crews sometimes... We don't get breaks! ******** Amen! and for all the stuff we do to let the get away with it!.... I just had it... I'm showing up for work and to wait for mode code-shares to be announced. Zero excitement, zero challenges, just serve peanuts between Dallas and Amarillo, and do it fast, It's a short flight!
Anonymous2048
Explorer C
This continued outsourcing of Southwest jobs will be the end of Southwest airlines. The morale among line employees is being absolutely destroyed, and with it the good name of Southwest airlines. I am an employee and I'm so disgusted with how this company continually tells its employees they're the best, yet turns around and makes decisions that hurt the employees. I'm afraid GK will be known as the one who destroyed Southwest. Personally, I don't see how Herb can stand by and watch the company he started and worked so hard at for years turn into what it is becoming - just another major airline that abuses its labor. So we can trust the safety of our passengers on a two year old upstart w/ no international experience? And we can't do this ourselves? I for one will be honest with our customers when they express concerns about Volaris.
Anonymous733
Explorer C
Mr Kelly, Next time you are about announcing another of these depressing deals, please save the theatrics... (like waiting almost 'till noon to release the information in Today@SWA) This info can be processed overnight along with articles like how to make a b-day cake with toilet paper and all the other garbage about cook-outs and costumes...
Another_pissed_
Explorer C
Unbelievable! Then we wonder what's going on with our stock.... Gary save all that "Is not a matter of if, but when" talk. Really, don't. We don't believe you so just save it. We are not competent enough to fly from Phoenix to Toluca... we get it. Just stop making all this grandiose announcements that never materialize! Please, stop it!
Addy_Possa1
Explorer C
Southwest Airlines... Outsourcing you from Tulsa to Guadalajara!
Anonymous1444
Explorer C
The company has not outsourced ANYONE'S JOB! You have to take a job away from someone to outsource it... and nobody has "lost" their jobs due to codeshares. "Outsourcing involves the transfer of the management and/or day-to-day execution of an entire business function to an external service provider." We haven't done that. It's a codeshare, everyone has them and we've had them before with ATA and Iceland Air. Stop spreading inaccurate ignorant statements about "outsourcing". Do any of you have ANY idea how huge it is to initiate Intl service? Sure the other carriers are doing it but our operations are NOTHING like theirs. They have varied fleets, sub-fleets and a whole other way of operating. I for one am proud of these codeshares!
Bored_employee
Explorer C
This airline is becoming the LAMEST ever! I come back to work like a zombie knowing that I'll be flying between Tampa and Fort Lauderdale the whole day. We got to the point where all the exciting news are how other airlines are going to take our costumers to Toronto, Montreal Vancouver, Toluca, Guadalajara and Cancun.... Laaaaaaame!
Anonymous770
Explorer C
To all of you who are confused as to why so many employees thing this is a very bad thing, let me just say this. No one here wants to go to Mexico or Canada just for a "good vacation location" like someone earlier wrote. Most of us could care less were we are going, as long as we are growing. If we were growing as fast as we could, it would be one thing to codeshare, but we aren't. For those of you who work in DAL, just look at the aircraft with the white painted over the tail. Those are airplanes that we are getting rid of while announcing that we are going to us a different company to do flying WE could do. Those airplanes equal JOBS. I know it doesn't seem like your jobs in the GO depend on those airplanes, but they do. This isn't just about pilot and flight attendants. Everybody should be worried. If you work in dispatch, how would you feel if the company said we are going to keep all of you, but all future dispatchers are going to be hired in Mexico into our Mexico dispatch office. (By the way, how did the OPS center work out for you all?) How about we open a Canadian Res center? or an Indian business office? I'm not a huge union guy, but I know a bad thing when I see it, and this is a bad thing. We grow ZERO (GO and all), and we subsidies another company's growth. WAKE UP!
Pissed_of_FA
Explorer C
"Doing more with less". The way of the future in SWA... Be scared, be reaaaaally scared. Soon they are going to announce that the Wi-fi deal is not viable and we will be required to do puppet shows with our dirty socks during flight....
Anonymous3584
Explorer C
Your customers are not impressed with the way you're acting in this particular blog discussion. Isn't this kind of the High School way to deal with your concerns? Most of you are disregarding what the customers have said which is rude, dumping on your new partner which is rude because they didn't do anything to you, and talking about what a pain it is and how you don't plan to go the extra when your job in particular isn't changing AT ALL and not exactly calling out to customers to fly with you. This is LAME. *********** Welcome to our LAME world. These are the only venues where we can vent this, because mngmt. doesn't listen and if you dare to question you are not a team player... This company is like Jonestown!
Anonymous4182
Explorer C
Your customers are not impressed with the way you're acting in this particular blog discussion. Isn't this kind of the High School way to deal with your concerns? Most of you are disregarding what the customers have said which is rude, dumping on your new partner which is rude because they didn't do anything to you, and talking about what a pain it is and how you don't plan to go the extra when your job in particular isn't changing AT ALL and not exactly calling out to customers to fly with you. This is LAME. I respectfully disagree. As a Southwest customer, I admire the workforce coming together to voice the concerns that are on everyone's minds these days, and that is job loss due to outsourcing when there is a more than adequate and qualified group that can do the job themselves. Airline executives are notorious for "Golden Parachutes" and given what is going on currently in our economy, there IS a cause for concern among Southwest employees. A customer who understands
Anonymous4134
Explorer C
If you are a Southwest Flight Attendant and you are not concern about this check open time (or FA/TT) for tomorrow in OAK, PHX and LAS... Multiply that x 10 and that's your future!
Anonymous4327
Explorer C
Gary Kelly, How many beans is the good will of your employee groups worth?
Anonymous3123
Explorer C
Warrior Spirit on the Shuttle By United from HERB..."Their gonna get nuked!" Warrior Spirit on flying to Mexico from GARY..."Well I don't know. That's an awful lot of paperwork. Maybe we ought to have someone else do it."
Smarter_than_th
Explorer C
Do moron airline CEO's not understand what brand loyalty is? People fly on SWA because they like SWA. Ticket prices between carriers are often the same and people choose SWA with this in mind. I suggest the knuckleheads at SWA HQ read "Hard Landing" and review how well code sharing work out for those brands and for their employees. This is an abortion... SWA should be doing this flying. Period. If American Eagle, Gulfstream International and Frontier can all manage to cross a border with pax, SWA should be able to as well. This is not splitting the atom folks.
Employee
Explorer C
Our customers are always my top priority. I, and all of the employees of Southwest Airlines have absolutely no control of customer experience when that customer has no contact with a Southwest airlines employee. Our management has decided that it is our best interest to use Southwest's name and reputation (Southwest.com) to sell tickets with an itinerary solely on another airline. Those tickets would be available through the other airline's website, but Southwest has taken it upon itself to use it's own infrastructure to grow another company with cheaper labor while it shrinks it's own flight schedule. If that isn't outsourcing, I don't know what is. As front-line employees, we live and breathe the "make it happen" attitude everyday when we do quick aircraft turns, help each other when we struggle, and dig in to "git er dun." I hope that as employees we never display the "no I can't" attitude that is so prevalent at other airlines, and now manifests itself in our front office.
Anonymous2687
Explorer C
I am concerned about codesharing with an airline that has not been in service 3 years as of yet and then I too wonder why Southwest cannot make the trip themselves.
Anonymous2930
Explorer B
>>>For those of you who work in DAL, just look at the aircraft with the white painted over the tail. Those are airplanes that we are getting rid of while announcing that we are going to us a different company to do flying WE could do. Those airplanes equal JOBS. That's one of several leased -300s SWA are being returned to their lessors. With new -700s arriving, the net fleet growth is flat. All of this has been in response to slowing economy, and has been openly and previously dicussed, and you'll note that there haven't been any layoffs. If you're going to cite facts, how about doing so in the proper context instead of the disingenuous way that you have?
Anonymous1186
Explorer C
Don't fly code-share flights! fly JetBlue, Frontier, Continental, AA, United, Spirit, Airtran, Delta and all the other American carriers that will take you to Mexico and Canada on THEIR OWN metal and will be held accountable in case something goes wrong!
Mad_FA
Explorer C
Gary is treating us like a father promising their kids a trip to Disneyland that will never materialize... Just be honest and say it: Southwest Airlines will never fly international. Never, ever!
Paula7
Explorer C
Why can't Southwest figure out Southwest customers don't won't to be flown on an airline that isn't flown by Southwest pilots? How long as Volaris been in business? What are their requirements to get a job at Volaris? What is their safety record? I don't fly on foreign airlines who haven't been in business long enough to have a track record, nor will I fly on an airline who could fly the route themselves without outsourcing the route. If Southwest chooses to outsource it's flying to Mexico, then I will outsource my business to American, JetBlue, or Airtran. Gary Kelly, you don't get it do you? Are you hell bent on pissing off your passengers and employees? Fly these routes yourselves! That is what your employees want and what your customers want. Why outsource your business to Mexican labor? Is it to save money? Well in the end, you get what you pay for. a disappointed Southwest customer
A__Arden__TX
Explorer C
Quoting: We have employees who can't even tell the difference between a -300 and -700 and you seriously think we're ready to do Intl paperwork and fly Intl......HAHA! It's not as easy as you think. OPEN YOUR MINDS.... in order to fly Intl a lot here would change and when we've got people who can't even dress appropriately or act accordingly I don't think we have any business leaving the country with that. ************* Are you management? Because I know the share your point of view! Now they are showing their true colors.... I must confess, is not terribly attractive!
Anonymous2722
Explorer C
I just want to ask a simple question... How come that JetBlue Airways has over 40 daily departures from Boston, New York and Orlando to San Juan, Ponce and Aguadilla? (all in Puerto Rico, all domestic) they are always full and they do it effortlessly (and make money) and we view Puerto Rico as unattainable as flying to Venus? Why Spirit and Airtran do it as well and we think that is so unreachable? Be ready SWA family, our code shares to Puerto Rico are coming!!!!
depressed_emplo
Explorer C
Do you think that Gary Kelly read this stuff? Do you think that he is aware of the frustration these news produced? Don't think so. He is in a bubble in Dallas getting hugs and kisses for a job well done. Wake up! Our opinion doesn't matter!
Anonymous770
Explorer C
That's one of several leased -300s SWA are being returned to their lessors. With new -700s arriving, the net fleet growth is flat. All of this has been in response to slowing economy, and has been openly and previously dicussed, and you'll note that there haven't been any layoffs. If you're going to cite facts, how about doing so in the proper context instead of the disingenuous way that you have? Reality Check — Tue, 11/11/2008 - 14:33 *************************** So because they are leased they must not provided a job for you in the GO. Good to know. Question...What has Gary said our net growth might be next year? That's right 0%. So instead of taking our new deliveries and extending the leases on the -300 providing jobs for many people, we are going to return aircraft and grow our route structure through different companies. How's that for outsourcing. Question...What has Westjet said their growth going to be next year after the codeshare news? That's right 15%. How about Volaris? About 20%. So good old Southwest 0%, Westjet 15%, and Volaris 20%. But that doesn't matter, you already have YOUR job. How's that for a reality check?