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Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

gsking
Rising Star

Well,  then are you suggesting ICU capacity be considered as a metric for FAA masking,?   Okay.   What level is acceptable? 

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

bwallet
Active Member

Available ICU beds is an important metric since it is killing people. It isn't my job to decide the threshold. I believe that vaccines should be mandatory to fly or pretty much do anything.

 

I'm going to Saudi Arabia in October. First time since 2019 because of obvious reasons. Right now in KSA, you need to show a vaccine card to do pretty much anything. Go into a store? Show proof of vaccination. Go into a restaurant? Show proof of vaccination? The mall? Ditto...etc. I'll feel a lot safer there than I do in the US. I'll know that if I hit by a car, there will be available medical treatment.

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

TravelGuru
New Arrival

There is the Newsome recall and a few elections so the masks extended. You watch it will be like the shoes and toothpaste. 20 years later still ‘required’

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

dfwskier
Top Contributor

@TravelGuru wrote:

There is the Newsome recall and a few elections so the masks extended. You watch it will be like the shoes and toothpaste. 20 years later still ‘required’


This is the third basically identical post that I've seen from you today.

 

edit add : make that at least 7 basically identical posts...

 

Do you get some silly gratification from spamming the board?

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

ipsedixit
Active Member

I think the most stupid thing is to debate the mask mandate.

 

It's a federal law.

 

Nothing to debate.

 

You violate it, you get fined, cannot fly, or go to jail, or some combo of all three.

 

What's there to debate?

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

chgoflyer
Top Contributor

@ipsedixit wrote:

I think the most stupid thing is to debate the mask mandate.

 

It's a federal law.

 

Nothing to debate.

 

You violate it, you get fined, cannot fly, or go to jail, or some combo of all three.

 

What's there to debate?


 

Agreed.

 

(However... cue those saying it's not a law, they pull theirs down all flight and have had no negative consequences, the mandate violates their rights... etc.)

 

Sigh.

 

 

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

gsking
Rising Star

Fair enough on the ICU bed capacity.   That's a great metric to use... it's much more objective than "a busy travel season". 

 

And many of us who spend more time flying than monitoring the bed availability in Oregon or Texas don't see that side of it.   Some of us wear a mask... and have had Covid... and have been vaccinated.   So we're a bit less worried. 

 

Again,  it's not the issue of masking directly.   It's the poor messaging,  the apparently capricious decision making,  and the otherwise condescending tone of the process.  "We have to extend this mandate until X >Y and we understand the confusion" is better than "Just because we said so and you're a jerk" .  At least that's what my mom taught me.   

 

Keep in mind the President even said you wouldn't have to wear a mask if you're vaccinated.   If that's not the pinnacle of mixed messaging,  I don't know what is.   But he's good as it. 

 

And I feel sorry for the two women I got stuck between last night who certainly thought I had Covid.   No,  it was the sprint between Vegas terminals after SW changed my flight time and didn't notify me that boarding had commenced.   My apologies.   Man,  that mask sucks for heavy  aerobic exercise. 

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

gsking
Rising Star

Are you saying laws aren't worthy of debate? 

 

Wow,  what country are you from?   In mine,  that's kinda the core process of the entire government. 

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

chgoflyer
Top Contributor

@gsking wrote:

Are you saying laws aren't worthy of debate? 

 

Wow,  what country are you from?   In mine,  that's kinda the core process of the entire government. 


 

Yes, by lawmakers. Not random people on the internet who have no direct effect on the law.

 

 

Re: Update: Mask Mandate Extended

gsking
Rising Star

Yeah,  true.   I agree with you there... not a really good topic to have started.   But the tone of the note was "just do what you're told", which runs counter to my mantra. 

 

Especially when those telling us contradict themselves,  don't obey their own rules,  and forget that telling people to get vaccinated so they can take their mask off... and then reneging on that reward... doesn't make people want to get vaccinated.   No carrot, all stick.   And they wonder why so many people are fed up.