"the F/As have no union at F9"
I never stated anywhere that the flight attendants at F9 have a union, as this is common knowledge. I said all labor groups must be included in the agreement, not just the pilots of WN.
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SkyGuy79-
What are you talking about? I have no interest in either company. If you've read any of my earlier posts I travel on these airlines I have no vested interest in either. Whether Frontier makes it or not, or Southwest makes it or not has no bearing on my life whatsoever. They are the cheapest, good quality airlines I use here in Denver. If they both go out of business I'll fly United. So this sour grapes talk you mention is falling on deaf ears.
I realize you just want to rant for your company but you don't want to hear the true reasoning behind what happened with Frontier here in Denver. You just want to blow your horn about what a huge failure it is and you aren't. As for your peers? I wasn't talking about them taking notice about whether there would be open arms for any lucky, lucky Frontier employees who may get a shot to have income with Southwest. I was talking about I hope your peers notice what a horrible representative you have been on this blog to your company. Certainly your last post was quite a tribute to your peers. Carry on.
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SkyGuy79-
Yes withholding cash unforeseen can cause cash problems. Good deducing.
As for the attitude you seem to have "Southwest will hopefully be able to swoop in and provide jobs to those that qualify and have the right attitude to work here."...I can guarantee from my dealings with Frontier that they are indeed as good if not better than Southwest in various areas. I can also guarantee you that SW is not that special compared to Frontier, so to make a statement like that is just as arrogant as Tina's and I hope your peers are taking notice.
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Profitable?-
Where exactly do you expect any business to cut back on? They can't cut back on fuel, or maintenance, or customer service. All they can do is reduce expenses with the agreement of the unions or sell assets. They sold airplanes, they reduced the payroll. That's all you can do or EVERYONE loses their job at once. Ask the folks who went under on a moment's notice last year. I'm glad SW did fuel hedging but let's face it they got lucky. They didn't know oil was going up to $150 a barrel when they planned it otherwise they would be walking on water and not flying airplanes.
You really need to learn a thing or two about bankruptcy reorganization. The planes I've been on are pretty damn full, but let's remember a lot of their revenue is going towards the bankruptcy bills and they are still in business. Please note I am not an employee, I don't know if you read my first post earlier. One thing is clear here in Denver though, if SW succeeds in buying Frontier, it's not a "loss" for Frontier. I fly both Southwest and Frontier and Southwest is by no means "beating" Frontier at anything. They are simply going for the jugular on the wounded animal. I say if SW does succeed at auction, take everyone with you that works at Frontier, great people, good attitude, and pilots who have gone out of their way to make my son feel like a jr pilot. Those are the things worth much more than the bottom line and dominance.
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Profitable?
Ask yourself this question: who had a fuel price hedge that shielded them from millions in losses due to oil speculation?
I think you are misguided in your analysis. Frontier is profiting now because of the slimming they did under bankruptcy reorganization. That is the whole point of reorganizing. It's not rocket science really, you cut expenses and try to drive up revenue and hope the judge buys it. I think Frontier has done very well in spite of the presence of Southwest in Denver and being in Chapter 7. Locally it's known that the workforce has made sacrifices to keep the airline running, and considering the potential for a complete loss in employee morale, I am surprised they have managed to still be friendly and professional unlike some other big guys who have dealt with the same, and it's a tribute to the character of the people they hire.
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SkyGuy79-
Frontier entered bankruptcy due to a credit card processor withholding half the cash from Frontier until flights were completed. They had cash on hand to continue operations but needed to reorganize, and have even become profitable. It really had nothing to do with the "1st time around" employees it had to do with the recession, out of control oil, and a panicky credit processor.
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As a constant traveler and Denver resident I appreciate what both airlines do for the city. Frontier has a hometown feel with great service, clean airplanes, tv, and good pilots. Southwest has low fares to almost anywhere, great service and a no nonsense approach that has worked forever.
That being said, let's call a spade a spade: Southwest is bidding for Frontier to eliminate the competition, not to help anyone. As tough as the job market is right now I find it evil that some posting on here really don't care about the employees that live and work here. I read some talking of a Denver base for flight crews if SW does indeed win the auction. That's all good and well, but there are a couple thousand employees that aren't flight crews that work at the headquarters here that stand to lose jobs. I'm already sensing the "too bad" attitude from the Southwesterners here. Think about it for a second if you were in that situation of uncertainty.
There's a post I read from a Tina Lopez, who apparently is a retiree from Southwest. "If you keep some Frontier employees they will have to pass a heavy duty interview and training to even get to hold a candle to the kind of people Southwest has. We will need a chisel and hammer to brake through their bad Customer Service habits to turn them to Southwest top notch. They will need the Over the Top Customer Service skills Southwest Employees currently have."
I'm sorry Tina but that is arrogrant, mean-spirited, and unbecoming of the folks I've encountered at Southwest. FYI from my experiences with Frontier their Customer Service, Gate Agents, Ticket Sales, Flight Attendants, heck even their Mechanics have been nothing but professional, courteous, and caring about myself and my family, and are just as good, if not better in taking care of their passengers. If your attitude represents Southwest behind closed doors, then I feel sorry for any Frontier employee who may consider making a switch there and they should look for someone else to speak for your airline.
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