08-01-2008
03:29 PM
223 Loves
I, too saw the Employee formerly known as External Blog Boy earlier in the week and welcomed him to the Family. And don't forget the observation deck at Denver's Stapleton Airport--and perhaps the best one of all, the one on top of the Theme Building at LAX. Ah, what memories, what airplane geeky memories.....
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07-31-2008
10:32 AM
15 Loves
Steven,
Even though we're not hub-and-spoke, we, too put the majority of our Maintenance resources in what we call our "mega Stations" (i.e., the biggest ones). We do our heavy maintenance--and have hangars--in Dallas, Houston, Phoenix, and now Chicago Midway. However, we also have Southwest Maintenance Employees in a number of other large and medium size cities to do the overnight checks and just be there to fix minor mechanical issues. Those are located in Baltimore, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Nashville, Oakland, Orlando, Philadelphia, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, St. Louis, and Tampa.
Overnight checks are pretty easy to route aicraft into, because (1) we don't do any overnight flying, (2) the cities listed above combined have about 50% of our aircraft overnighting there (260 total out of a total flying fleet of 500 aircraft), and the overnight "A" checks only have to be done once each 7 days. The more involved "B/C" checks take longer, and we have to build special routings into the schedule to allow Maintenance Control to easily get aircraft into those checks as needed, which is about once every 3 to 4 months.
Thanks for the question!
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06-30-2008
10:59 AM
2 Loves
Guys,
I would love to look into all the comments about the lack of "cheap seats" you're posting about....but without specific dates or even days of week it's difficult. Any more information you'd like to share???? That would make it easier for me to dig into the matter for ya!
Bill
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06-27-2008
09:17 AM
7 Loves
Nashville,
I'll get back to you on your facility concerns. As far as added cities from Nashville, we always follow traffic trends--and LIT and SDF are simply too small to support Nashville service for the time being. As for PBI, we used to fly there, and the traffic was so weak we wound up cancelling it. And as far as "marching into Atlanta"....who are we, General Sherman? *wink* All things are being examined these days, believe me! Southwest is carefully watching for the best places to expand.
Will,
Thanks, but I already have PLENTY of wrinkles, not to mention more gray hair than the "Senior DIscount" line at Denny's. But thanks! Email me at work sometime....I'm sorry I missed y'all last month!!!!
Bill
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06-26-2008
09:11 PM
7 Loves
Scott--I dropped the ball, buddy...I think I know someone that can update us on it! (I have NO clue but am eagerly waiting it to be onboard our airplanes!!!!)
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06-26-2008
09:56 AM
509 Loves
Winter is here! Well, not really—it is 100 degrees in Dallas as we speak—but winter is now available to book at southwest.com, at 1-800-IFLYSWA, and via SABRE and Galileo. Winter—including Thanksgiving, Christmas/Hannukah, and New Years, is now bookable with America ’s Largest Airline—and the only airline where “Fees Don’t Fly!” As usual, we’ve slipped a few new and interesting things into the Winter 2008/2009 Schedule. First, and perhaps most importantly, is what is not in the schedule. Unlike almost every other domestic U.S. airline, Southwest is not shrinking. We are not abandoning cities. We are not furloughing Employees. Instead, we’re tweaking what we’re offering to you guys—growing where we see opportunity, and eliminating flying that just hasn’t panned out the way we’d hoped, particularly with oil at $135 a barrel. This November, in the midst of one of the worst airline industry downturns in history, Southwest Airlines has taken a scalpel to our schedule and looked at each and every flight in every market we serve flight to determine Customer demand and profitability. Even after that excercise, we will discontinue just two nonstop markets—Oakland-Tucson, and Kansas City-Sacramento. We’ll also reduce the number of daily departures in 27 markets, which is an incredibly minimal number. Still, we will retain service in all of our markets—meaning, you guys can still take advantage of the great Southwest service you love, even if it may be a onestop direct or a connection. Click here for a PDF file attachment showing frequencies in each of our markets and the changes coming up for November. The BIG news is what we’re adding! We’re adding six new nonstop markets—and they’re concentrated on Denver and Florida . We’re adding new nonstop service between Ft. Lauderdale/Hollywood and Albany , Kansas City, and La$ Vega$....between Ft. Myers and St. Louis ….and between Denver and Orange County and Tulsa . We're also adding extra flights in 25 other markets, eleven of which start in Denver. Our new Florida service will make it easier for you guys to shake off that winter chill….and the new Denver service will add to our incredible success story in the Mile High City . Even though we only re-started service at Denver International Airport in January of ’06, we will have 115 daily departures from Denver each business day by the end of 2008. It’s the fastest we’ve ever grown a new Station in our 37 year old history. Southwest is LUVing Denver ….and Denver is LUVing Southwest! There is something else that is very important about this schedule. You may remember my story about the “Garage-o-mizer,” our original schedule optimization model (click here for the link). It is, in effect, a constraint-based model, one that constructed a schedule that met a list of constraints, or rules. However, given our schedule network, there are multiple possible schedule solutions—some better than others, some worse--so the Garage-o-mizer wasn’t looking for the the best schedule possible, just one that met all of the rules. The November 2008 schedule marks the debut of a new schedule optimizer, the new "Global optimizer"—one that takes all of our schedule rules and preferences and actually picks the one schedule that scores the absolute highest based on the input parameters we supply. Thousands of criteria are considered. For example, the Global optimizer actually looks to see what time passengers actually want to travel in every nonstop market we're in--folks want to leave Vegas for L.A. in the later afternoon, while they want to leave Baltimore/Washington for Orlando in the morning. All 800+ nonstop markets have their own, unique demand curves. This new algorigthm lets us match our schedule to exactly what you, our Customers, want! The math behind the model is both complicated and daunting—but we are THRILLED with the output. And, as with the previous model, it was developed in house!!! (BIG shout outs to David, Jesus, and Jason from the Operations Research team in Southwest Airlines Technology Department!) So—let the booking begin for the Holiday Season 2008. Plan those trips--book those reservations—and know that all of us here at Southwest, all 34,000+ of us, are trying our level best to do everything we can to be the very best airline on the planet for you. It’s HARD to be an airline these days, but we’re not straying from our mission, which is to provide the best value in air transporation in America . WITH NO ADDED FEES. Did I mention that already? 😉
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06-23-2008
10:09 AM
439 Loves
Maestro! Queue me up some "West Side Story" please, in the key of F: Could it be, yes it could. Something's coming, something good! If I can wait......... Something's coming, I don't know what it is, But it is, gonna be great! Flight schedules for the time period extending from October 31, 2008 all the way to January 9, 2009, have been sent--and will be open for sale next Thursday, June 26! This (obviously) includes the Thanksgiving, Christmas/Hannukah, and New Year's holiday schedules. So start thinking about where you want to have your turkey and dressing....where you want to light your candles or trim your tree....and where you want to ring in 2009. Something's coming--our flight schedule, that is--and I guarantee it's gonna be great! You might wonder why we sent the flight schedules on the 19th and they won't be available for you to "see" and purchase until the 26th. First off, this is always the most difficult "chunk" of schedule to prepare of the entire year--as I said, it contains three Holiday Schedules, and each one of them are manually tweaked based on anticipated traffic (and traffic is always different over the Holidays than it is during the non-Holiday November/December/early January timeframe). So there is four times as much work to do to build versus a normal schedule send. Then, after Schedule Planning distributes the schedule, a zillion other workgroups, both inside Southwest and externally, have to take the data we've sent and get them ready for you to make reservations. For example, our Reservations Support team in Technology has to take our data and actually load it into our Reservations system. Interactive Marketing has to do the same to prepare southwest.com to receive and activate the schedule dates. Revenue Management has to get the fare inventories ready to accept your bookings. And our partners at SABRE and Galileo (two huge global computer reservations systems) have to ingest our schedule, make sure it's in synch with what we're selling internally, and go through all of their processes to make sure that next Thursday they're ready to hit their big "DING!" button. So get ready. Your phone won't jingle, and your door won't knock, but something's coming sometime next Thursday, June 26. And yeah...it's gonna be great!
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06-12-2008
01:50 PM
285 Loves
I'm thinking Wednesday was a slow news day. One of our Warriors in the Public Relations department called me Wednesday after an Associated Press reporter called to ask why Southwest wasn't accepting reservations past October 30. The reporter was curious about the lack of Holiday availability. I gave my colleague from P.R. the page on southwest.com where she can find the next schedule release date (http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/travel_center.html?ref=trvltls_gn) and didn't think anything more about it. Neither did she. Until later Wednesday afternoon, that is. The reporter actually wrote a story about our not yet offering our schedule for Thanksgiving and Christmas. True, there are other facts about other airlines in his piece, but the fact that "Southwest is not yet accepting reservations for the Holidays" made the headline. That got me to reminiscing (and laughing) about the sound flaming you guys gave me early in 2007 when I did a blog piece about the subject--and how we actually changed our business practices based on the gaping wound of dissatisfaction I unwittingly ripped open with that blog post. The very fact that you can now access our next anticipated schedule release date at southwest.com is one of those changes, as is the fact that barring something catastrophic, we will never again drop below 120 days of booking inventory. And we are working with other groups across the Company to be able to add more and more inventory out there as we go forward. So heads up, Associated Press....we scooped you on this over a year ago! But we hope you'll become devoted readers of "Nuts About Southwest!" You'd be surprised what you--and we--can learn! 😉
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05-16-2008
12:45 PM
2 Loves
Jim,
My most unputdownable book EVER was "The Stand" by Stephen King. AND I DID TWICE! Read one, back in the late 70's when the book first came out, I was reading it in paperback at stop lights, on breaks while working for American Airlines in Reservations (and in between calls!), and at night. However...in the mid 90's my good friend Amy lent me her UNABRIDGED version--a nice 925 pages worth--and for read two I digested it on a weekend Station Visit to LAX. I actually sat IN MY HOTEL ROOM and read, not watching airplanes during my down time on that visit at all. THAT is a personal testimony to an UNPUTDOWNABLE book, bud!
Welcome to the blog team....and nice piece!
Bill
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Many of you may remember me writing about my son, the Officer, here on the blog. My super-sized 24-year-old son, with an even larger heart, is a police officer in the beautiful East Texas town of Jefferson. Last week, a series of events really brought home two facts for me—one that I forget far too often, and one that I didn’t even know. Last Tuesday night, after a high-speed chase through dark, winding roads near my son’s new hometown, Texas Department of Public Safety Trooper Scott Burns was shot to death, viciously and in cold blood. My son was on patrol duty at the time, and as he was enroute to assist in the chase, he heard Trooper Burns’ last words on the radio—“The suspect is exiting his vehicle!” Officer Owen will never forget the next words he heard from the radio, this time by a local resident who had witnessed the crime: “OFFICER DOWN! OFFICER DECEASED!” My son was one of the first to arrive on the scene of the murder. Of course, being a fellow law enforcement officer in rural East Texas, he knew Scott Burns—and had seen him as recently as the previous Saturday, at a gathering of local law enforcement officers. As the investigation turned into a manhunt during the darkest hours of the night, my son called a few family members—me included—to tell us what had happened, so that when we got our morning paper and saw “Officer Slain In Marion County” we wouldn’t drop to the ground with heart failure. The next several days were a blur, with my son actively participating in the search. Officials were very certain that the suspect, who himself was a former policeman, was still in the Jefferson area. They also knew without a shadow of a doubt that he was armed and very dangerous. As any parent can understand, I was more nervous and worried for my son than at any time in his 24 years on this planet. The whole “my son is a cop” thing suddenly was very, very real, and very, very scary. Wednesday afternoon, I called my son as he was on his way to the police station to start his shift. I knew that even though he had gotten a few hours off duty he had not slept at all and was exhausted. The conversation went something like this: Me: “Buddy, PLEASE be careful tonight. I know you haven’t slept, and you probably shouldn’t even be going in to work now.” Son: “I’m fine, Dad. I have to go in.” Me: “Well, just be careful. Don’t try to take that guy alone…just please, please be careful.” Son: “Dad….let me ask you something. After 9/11, if you had been a pilot or a flight attendant….would you have been nervous when you went back to work?” Me: (Pausing) “Well….sure I would have been.” Son: “Would you have called in sick?” Me: “Of course not.” Son: “You would have gone in to work?” Me: “Certainly I would have.” Son: “So I’m going in to work my shift tonight.” Game, set, match: Officer Owen. On Thursday, my son called to tell me two things: one, he was okay. And two, the suspect had been found—he had committed suicide as the police were closing in. I breathed a VERY loud sigh of relief for mt son and slept very well that night for the first time in about 72 hours. As I said, this chain of events brought two facts into crystal clarity for me. Number one–the fact that I too often forget—is that there are a great many people in this world whose job is to risk their lives every single day to keep my sorry, unworthy hide safe. People like Trooper Burns. People like the anonymous policemen and firemen I pass on the street every day, and the soldiers that I only see on the t.v. screen because they are half a world away, are risking their lives, day in and day out, so that I can sleep at night and live without fear. I forget about the magnitude of the sacrifice that they are offering, just to keep me secure. I may get angry when I get pulled over, or may not agree with a war our soldiers are fighting, but I need to constantly remind myself that they have all taken oaths, quite literally, to take a bullet for me if necessary. For that…I am humbled, awed, and deeply grateful. The second fact—the one that I had never realized—is that somehow, some way, my son has become much wiser than me. When on earth did THAT happen? Of course I fully realize he’s now a bona-fide grown up, but somewhere along the way, he has become a wise grown up. I know many adults—some even my age—that never attain that level of maturity. Little Buddy (my pet name for him—which is now WOEFULLY inaccurate), know when you read this that I am proud of you. And be careful. Rest in peace, Trooper Burns. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your sacrifice…and my thoughts and prayers are with your wife, infant daughter, and your family and friends.
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04-25-2008
04:20 PM
3 Loves
Nsx, forgive my delay in responding (and yes, blog readers, IÃ
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Steve,
I have no idea about the answer to your question, nor was that the point of this blog post. You might contact our Customer Relations/Rapid Rewards Department to ask them about it. But I don't have the expertise to answer your question.
Bill
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04-17-2008
05:58 AM
2 Loves
Jerilyn,
Your post kind of reminds of a line from "The Wizard Of Oz," as Dorothy is saying goodbye to the TIn Man, the Lion, and as she gets to the Scarecrow she says "I think I'm going to miss you most of all...." Your loyalty--going back to both Southwest's *and* your earliest days--is so important to us. And it's not just that we've disappointed you--as an airline, we are at the mercy of weather, government, former codeshare partners, and heaven knows what else, so we realize we disappoint Customers daily--we just try to make it up to them. But losing your *trust* stings, deeply and badly.
It shouldn't be a big surprise that this has been a sharp and painful wake-up call for Southwest. I think I can definitively promise that if, God Forbid, this should happen again, our communication --all of it--will be different, and that we won't (as you wisely point out) be afraid to say "we don't know" and ask for paitience while we figure things out.
For what it's worth, I personally greatly appreciate your openness and candor in your blog comments. I hope we can retain your business; I pray we can regain your trust. In the meantime.....I want to make sure Karen in Reservations gets not only your commendation--but a second one, from me as well, for making me proud to be her colleague. I will be sending you an email from my office email addy; if you could send me either your old confirmation number, or just the flights, dates, and last name on your record, I will take care of both commendation letters, and email you both letters.
You're also very right--people like Bob, and Karen, and Cassie, and certainly me, love our Company and take this stuff personally. i wouldn't be sitting cross-legged on my bed at nearly midnight on a Wednesday night responding if I didn't. Again....I hope you let us try to rebuild the trust.
I hope you have a fantastic time in Hawaii--it is one of my favorite places on earth. I hope AA does you right, and does *us* proud.....and that we have the chance to do it again, and start that baby-steps rebuilding process, soon.
Aloha, Jerilyn.....mahalo nui loa for your business in the past--and hopefully we (all 33,000 of us) can serve you again.
Bill
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04-15-2008
02:05 PM
4 Loves
JAY,
I understand your frustration.....and if you don't believe me, then okay, that is your decision. I can honestly say I've tried to SHOOT TOTALLY STRAIGHT for everyone reading this blog.
And who is this "Jim" you're wanting to "fess up"??
Bill
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04-11-2008
07:18 PM
2 Loves
Chris, I fully and absolutely stand by what I said. Where I come from, a "lie" means a statement that is made with deliberate intent to deceive or to convey false impression. Southwest never did that in the case of ATA's sudden shutdown; every bit of information, every comment made on this blog, on our website, and by every Reservations Agent in our network, reflected what at the time was our current-state, good-faith plan. I know for a fact that many options were explored for reaccomodation for Customers traveling after the initial 30-day period. None of them worked out. In the end, the best accomodation we could do for folks that had bought Southwest tickets using ATA service to Hawaii from 5/03 onwards was to refund your entire fare, give you a "we're sorry" voucher (which is FAR more than any other airline has, or would, do), let you make alternative plans (whether to Hawaii or to a different destination). Then to make sure we are fully available and transparent on the issue, we've opened it up here on the blog to keep everyone up to speed *and* to allow you to vent your frustrations. Not only does that indicate to me that Southwest didn't intentionlly mislead or decive, to me it shows that we've gone above and beyond--to not only keep you posted on what was happening, but to try and make it whole.
We may have to agree to disagree here, Chris, but you're welcome to opinion--and my heartfelt disappointment for you, and for the situation, remains.
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04-11-2008
04:40 PM
2 Loves
Guys,
I can honestly say I am as disappointed as you are. Many, many options other than full refunds with goodwill vouchers were explored, and every single one of them had brick walls that simply were insurmountable. We know that ATA's shutdown wrecked many--perhaps thousands--of dream vacations, and we looked at every possibility to resurrect those. It just wasn't possible.
I won't address everyone indivudually, but I just have to give a few specific responses.
Kelli, and Chris, I'm not sure how you think we lied to you....and I'm sorry that you think so. Yes, I do think we did the right thing here. It took time to explore all available options, and when we finally knew what we could and couldn't do, we took the best actions possible, as soon as we could. In my book, that was far better than stringing people along while we went down endless dead ends.
Aaron, it takes 30 days for a credit card refund to process, and we're not just doing one refund here....we're doing over 20,000. We are doing the best we can.
Jerilyn, yours is the kind of story that hurts me the most...and that I wish the hardest that we could do something for. I am not sure why you think booking early hurt you--the reality is that for travel from 5/3 onwards *no one* is being reaccomodated, there simply weren't acceptable options, and this is the same whether you booked early or late, on RR tickets or not. We know it's not a pleasing outcome, and we know it's certainly not what anyone wants to hear--but we did treat everyone the same, and we did the best we could for *everyone*. And I am quite familiar with breaking horrible news to family--I had to tell my mother of my father's death, then years later had to tell my son of my mother's passing. So yes, while I didn't hear your mother's sobs, I've heard more than enough of them in my years to know what they sound like...and what they feel like. All any of us can do at this point can do is wish you the very best...and hope that eventually you can come back to us.
*Sigh* I know I can't make y'all happy here, nor can I change your mind---and I won't even try....but I am here, guys, if you need to vent. I understand the disappointment--I absolutely, positively do.
Bill
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04-10-2008
10:08 PM
3 Loves
Everyone, again, I can't stress enough that we weren't the ones that cancelled your trips....ATA's decision to suddenly cease operations was a very unpleasant surprise to Southwest as well.
Vicki, no, you shouldn't be happy about this--I wouldn't be, and Southwest certainly isn't. However, offering a full refund is simply the best thing we can do for you now--and certainly better than keeping you "on hold" waiting for a solution that isn't possible.
Lisa L, my heart totally goes out to you, your husband, and your kids....I so wish that we could offer you better options.
Chris, we *did* try to accomodate everyone as fairly as possible. When that was no longer possible, we did the fairest and most equitable thing possible: offered full refunds and a travel voucher in addition to your fare.
Tommi, you'll be getting a full refund for the fare you paid *plus* the $200 travel voucher. Your comment made it sound like you thought you were only getting the travel voucher--your fare refund will be in full and to the form of payment originally given when you made your booking. Just wanted to make sure you got complete information.
In response to other comments.....
Joe W., yes, the 757 is a significantly larger aircraft than almost any variant of the 737, but once again, one of Southwest's core efficiencies is using only the Boeing 737--further, using variants of the 737 that seat roughly the same capacity (currently, between 122 and 137 seats). Introducing the 757 would blow so many efficiencies and economies of scale that it would negate our entire cost advantage.
Steve, we are in LUV with South Florida, and we know Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach county residents LUV them some Vegas and Phoenix. We're watching....we're watching....
Dorothy, Daytona Beach isn't in our future anytime soon, primarily because of our 100+ daily departures from Orlando. While it may be a bit of a pain to hop in I-4 to get to the Orlando airport, we hope the breadth of service will make it worth your while. (Nice name, BTW....my late mom's name was Dorothy, so you automatically have a soft spot in my heart!).
Keep the comments coming, guys....I'm paying attention, and will keep up the responses as long as you can stand me!
Bill
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04-07-2008
04:55 PM
2 Loves
More responses, folks!
hc and DGamma....remember, guys, Southwest is doing everything in our power to reroute people that bought Southwest Airlines tickets on flights operated by ATA---**AT NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE** unlike some airlines offering "standby" to/from Hawaii to ATA ticket holders for $100 each way.
Joe, I have been stuck in the Aloha State for several days waiting on an empty seat on more than one occaision!!!
Lori, if you bought tickets on ATA, not Southwest, then Southwest isn't who you should be calling a "vulture". See above--Southwest is doing everything we can to rebook people AT NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE to and from Hawaii. The problem is that there are just not a lot of seats, but our friendly Reservations Agents are jumping through hoops to reaccomodate everyone in date-booked order. Those than can be patient and wait for us to get to them for reacomodation will still get to and from Hawaii without any additional fare. Southwest had no say over what ATA did, when they shut down, or what kind of notice they provided. Sorry, Lori, but I can't see how that makes Southwest Airlines a vulture--if anything, we're going way above and beyond to help people that trusted Southwest with their travels to get them where they wanted to go.
And Dolly....we definitely have HotLanta on our radar screens, but as with everything, we just have to put it into the mix with everything else. There are a couple of other markets in the same boat, and we're watching them all carefully and with great interest. BTW, loved you on "American Idol" last week! :)
Bill
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04-06-2008
01:05 AM
4 Loves
Hi, gang! A few responses.
Mickey, in this economic envorinment--now is NOT the time to be undertaking a huge expansion into Hawaii, for all of the reasons I talked about. Just a very difficult operating environment.
Steve, I'm disappointed too....and if we have no way to get you to or from Hawai'i I don't think any of us would blame you for going to the very capable folks at Hawaiian or the other carriers. Hopefully, someday if we are able to re-enter the Hawaii market (online or codeshare)....hopefully you'll give us a thought.
Carl, well said....two thumb up!
Joe, hardly---at other carriers Hawaii is usually a sink hole for non-revs. Trust me....I know....LOL
James--spot on, and you're looking GOOD, buddy! See you soon.
Jim--excellent analysis, but I still trust in the decision of our Leaders not to mump into Hawaii right now, for all the reasons I detailed in my blog piece.
Alan, any kind of subsidiary or "wet least" arrangement would open up multiple cans of worms with things like work scope, shared operations, etc. I still submit that our best option is to keep focus on our Mainland operation...and if you have ever talked to anyone that was present during the Delta/Pan Am integration, that is NOT one you want to hold up as a model of effieciency!
Susan, since we can't currently handle true international operations--and since our ATA codeshare didn't extend to those routes--no plans there.
Lori, I'm curious--did you buy Southwest Airlines tickets on ATA, or tickets directly on ATA? Southwest is busily reaccommodationg all people holding Southwest Airlines tickets on ATA service to Hawaii....see Brian's info above for the details. I hardly think that qualifies us as "vultures" (UGLY birds....)
Dusty, a few good initial points....then whatever.
Charlie, you are exactly right--our existing operations out over the Gulf don't require rafts and other ETOPS things....it's a very different animal.
DMazella and and Greg, I don't know the answer to those....if you have bookings already, just wait to be contacted. I'll see what I can find out, however.
Keep 'em coming, folks.....I'm here all weekend. Unfortunately. LOL
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04-04-2008
06:41 PM
3 Loves
Happy Friday afternoon, everyone! A few answers/comments:
Diana...even though Brian has already answered you--best of luck!!! And see you again soon, I hope.
John C.---excellent, and spot-on, additional information, sir. Thanks!
Cranky, operating any subsidiary operation would open up a host of work-scope and union issues--none of which could, or would, be solved quickly enough to implement before ATA's shutdown.
Bob--thanks for lunch! :)
Steve, we may be slow to move into new cities....but remember the old children's story about the tortise and the hare?
Jon, Southwest had no equity stake or business interest in ATA, and it just wouldn't have made good business sense to do so given their financials.
Rich, since DCA is tightly slot-controlled--and ATA had pulled out of DCA late last year--getting into DCA will be difficult for Southwest. For the time being I hope you'll be able to access the Southwest network via our new service to Dulles, or our huge operation at Baltimore.
Keep commenting--I'll be checking over the weekend!
Bill
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04-04-2008
09:46 AM
581 Loves
See below for April 10 update
Everyone at Southwest Airlines was saddened by the sudden termination of service by our codeshare partner, ATA Airlines. Setting aside the business relationship for just a second, we appreciate the hard work of our colleagues at ATA, and wish them nothing but the best in the future.
However, I thought I should post a quick blog about a question that's come up MANY times since ATA ceased operating–why didn't Southwest buy (or take over) ATA's Hawaii routes? As much as all of us at Southwest would love to have done it, there are a few absolute brick walls that prevent us from just jumping in on short notice to fill the void left by ATA.
The simple answer: we can't.
First, there is no such thing as "buying" a domestic US route these days. Deregulation of the industry the late 1970's meant that any airline could fly between any two points in the US if they wanted to. Some international route authories are still tightly controlled, but mainland–Hawaii service is considered domestic. So there was nothing to buy.
Okay--on to the brick walls. Brick wall #1–Southwest's aircraft are not ready to quickly start flying to Hawaii. Twin-engine aircraft require extra equipment, and their flight and ground crews extra training, in order to fly longhaul flights over vast stretches of open water. ATA's Boeing 737's and employees (as were those of Aloha Airlines) were already fully certified in that process. Southwest's haven't been, because we have never needed it.
Brick wall #2–resource availability. Southwest's low costs are predicated on efficiency and part of that efficiency means we don't have spare, unused aircraft and Crews simply sitting around waiting for something to do. If we were to undertake a large-scale new operation on very short notice (and simply duplicating ATA's Hawaii operations would require nearly a dozen aircraft and the opening of five new cities), we would have to cancel existing service to free up aircraft, reaccommodate Customers booked on those flights, and reroute possibly hundreds of Crew pairings–all at a huge cost to both Customers and Crews. In these days of $100 a barrel oil, that is a cost Southwest just couldn't justify.
Going further...in response to these brick walls, many have asked why Southwest just didn't buy ATA's aircraft (already certificated and in use for Hawaiian operations) and use those aircraft to fly ATA's former routes. Again, it's a lot easier said than done. First, the certification for longhaul overwater operations is specific to the airline, not the aircraft–so even if we had slapped a Southwest logo on ATA's aircraft, we still couldn't immediately begin boarding our first departure to Honolulu. And while ATA flew 737's (among other aircraft types) to Hawaii, they were the 737-800, a different type of 737 than Southwest's (we fly -300's, -500's, and -700's). Introducing a new aircraft type into an airline's fleet is an expensive, time-consuming, and resource-intensive activity, and our current focus and efforts are better spent on improving the efficiency and performance of our existing, mainland-based network.
Again, we are enormously disappointed at this turn of events–but I hope this answers some of your questions as to why Southwest isn't able to simply swoop in and take up the Hawaiian "slack"....and we sincerely wish all of ATA's employees the best of luck. Thanks for reading "Nuts About Southwest!"
Update as of April 10, 2008:
Today, Southwest began contacting Customers who purchased Southwest tickets operated by ATA Airlines and were scheduled to commence travel after from May 3rd to process full refunds of their tickets. While we have successfully reaccommodated the majority of our Customers traveling between now and May 3, we have also realized that the only realistic option as we go forward into peak travel season is to give full refunds on existing purchased tickets. As we examined reaccomodation options beyond May 3, it became readily apparent that, given the significant reduction in capacity between the Mainland and Hawaii after the discontinuation of both ATA and Aloha Airlines, there were simply too few seats left available to offer all of our Customers suitable rebooking options.
Why was May 3 picked as the date? Well, the simple answer is that it gave Southwest 30 days to handle Customers that were most immediately impacted--to contact them, to reaccomodate them, and to get them on their way. Looking past that date, though, it was pretty clear after a week of study that the options past May 3 were not greater--they were fewer.
I can honestly say that everyone at Southwest is heartsick at this outcome, just as we are enormously disappointed at the sudden demise of ATA. However, we *do* think it is better to refund existing, paid Southwest tickets on ATA flights, rather than to keep you waiting on options that would most probably be inferior to the great service that we had planned to provide for you.
To answer a harder question.....did we look at other options? Of course. Read the blog post above for a detailed explanation of why Southwest can't just start immediate service to Hawaii. Further, when the numbers of people booked on each, individual day were studied, there just weren't enough people on each single day to funnel them through a logical "collection" point, given their existing reservations, and arrange charter service even in the short term. And to make that option even more difficult, the list of available charter options has been significantly reduced by the current industry crisis. So, that just wasn't an option. Nor was it an acceptable option to keep you on pins and needles.....thus this decision.
Again, those Customers who purchased Southwest tickets operated by ATA Airlines and were scheduled to begin their trips between May 4 and August 22,2008, will receive a full refund delivered to your original form of payment and a Southwest LUV voucher as a gesture of goodwill for this inconvenience....but I thought it was important to update the blog with the "breaking" news. We had hoped to build on our relationship with ATA, but they decided they couldn't continue in the current business climate. We have done what we hope is best for everyone.
All of us here at the Southwest Airlines are very saddened by this. We hope you will understand that ATA's discontinuation of scheduled service was just flat beyond our control...and that we are doing what we can to provide the best Service to our wonderful Customers.
Bill
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04-03-2008
07:21 PM
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David, two facts immediately come to mind that prove we're not hub-and-spoke. One is already in the blog piece itself--nearly 80% of all of our Customers fly from origin to destination nonstop. None of the legacy carriers come anywhere near that--most are AT BEST 50% local (non-connecting). (Note--I'd look up the actual stats by hub, by airline, but I can't find them right off and don't have time to hunt right now).
But if you want further proof, just look at the actual plot of arrivals and departures of legacy carriers at their hubs, vs. the way Southwest arrivals and departures work at our large Stations. Other airlines actively bank their schedules--meaning a large number of flights (sometimes more than 60 within a 20-minute period) arrive in very close proxmity, sit on the ground while their passengers change planes, then all leave pretty much at once. Next time you're in PHL see if you can spot the USAirways banks.....I sure can! Southwest doesn't do that. We put flights at the times we think the Customers want to fly--sit on the ground for 20 to 30 minutes--then leave to the next destination. Yes, we do publish connections, but we don't SCHEDULE to MAXIMIZE them....that is what hub carriers do.
Another, more kindergarden, view of it is to just draw out a Southwest route map. Then look at another airline's route map (Continental has a good one at Continental.com). The difference is immediate: ours looks like most of the dots are connected to most of the other dots with nonstop flights. Continental's map clearly, obviously, and emphatically shows its three hubs--IAH, CLE, and EWR.
And I just may get involved in the debate at FlyerTalk.....but not until I get home tonight. Got all kind of interesting things to do here today! :)
Bill
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03-18-2008
03:51 PM
6 Loves
Carole,
I know you are a WONDERFUL grandmother, because you are a *fantastic* person. Thank you for sharing Noah's story with us all, and I hope at least one person that reads this has an "a-ha!" moment and begins to get a child in their lives the help that he or she needs. You ROCK!
Bill
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03-11-2008
10:55 PM
7 Loves
Mr. and Dr. Markman--yes, Southwest discontinued BWI - LAX nonstop service (as well as a number of other "ocean-to-ocean" markets) in late 2007. Hopefully we'll be able to re-enter those markets one day. In the meantime, we have committed to having a large number of daily, onestop, no-aircraft-change flights in each direction between BWI and LAX. Yes, they take just a little longer than the nonstop did, but with our fast turns we'll have you on your way again quickly--and besides, you get an extra soft drink and bag of peanuts for the extra stop! Thanks for your comment.
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03-10-2008
05:00 PM
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Bud,
I'm not sure where you got your facts, but you're wrong. Southwest's rate of denied boarding is certainly not out of line--in fact, we're in the lower half of the industry in terms of our denied boarding rates, with a significantly lower rate than carriers like Continental, Alaska, Airtran, Delta, United, USAirways, and Northwest. Don't believe me? Check it out on the DOT's website--or click on the link below:
http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/2008/feburary/200802atcr.pdf
And, of course, besides having a relatively low DB rate, we carry more Customers than any other airline in the world. With, by far, the lowest complaint ratio of any US air carrier. So I think we're probably doing pretty well, bud.
Bill
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03-10-2008
05:00 PM
5 Loves
Bud,
I'm not sure where you got your facts, but you're wrong. Southwest's rate of denied boarding is certainly not out of line--in fact, we're in the lower half of the industry in terms of our denied boarding rates, with a significantly lower rate than carriers like Continental, Alaska, Airtran, Delta, United, USAirways, and Northwest. Don't believe me? Check it out on the DOT's website--or click on the link below:
http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/reports/2008/feburary/200802atcr.pdf
And, of course, besides having a relatively low DB rate, we carry more Customers than any other airline in the world. With, by far, the lowest complaint ratio of any US air carrier. So I think we're probably doing pretty well, bud.
Bill
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03-02-2008
07:59 PM
10 Loves
Sweet Carole,
You are not only incredibly gracious and endlessly entertaining...you are also healthy as a horse, and you don't seem to be "getting up a load for now" unless you walk in front of a hotel shuttle bus somewhere on a layover. Your post made me laugh....OUT LOUD. The folks at Starbucks wondered what I was reading!!!!!!
Thanks for being part of our team....and steer clear of those forwarded chain emails (they scare me, too!)!
Bill
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Peter,
Good morning from incredibly beautiful Santa Fe, NM!
Sorry to confuse. Let me respond to your points together, because they really are very much related. It never matters whether a market is (or would be) a "monopoly" or not. What matters in our search for new, or reinstated, markets is how large they are and what their potential in the short- to mid-term is. We have not re-entered the MSY-OAK market for two simple reasons: the local market simply has not grown back to the size that it was, and two, because the market was not that large in the first place, we were supplementing with "Through" traffic from the Bay Area to Florida. We can now serve B.A.--FLA traffic via Houston, Austin, San Antone, Denver, and probably 5 other cities. The "Via MSY" flow is no longer unique. My comment about "working with city leaders" wasn't intended to imply that tourism and convention traffic hasn't rebounded nicely....I meant that , if you want a very specific market to grow--in this case, MSY-OAK/SFO--two things need to happen. One, specific effort needs to be spent to grow that market, and I know that Sean, Maggie and the wonderful folks (whom I absolutely LUV) at LANOIA are working feverishly to do that. But second, we need to see the traffic returning to levels that can support nonstop service. THEN we'll try and bring a nonstop and and then hook 'er up with upline/downline support to/from Florida.
I know this reply has been a little lengthy (what....me, wordy????? SCOFF!!!!!) but I want our New Orleans Customers and other interested parties to know we are paying probably more attention to New Orleans traffic for capacity growth purposes than any other city in the nation. And, much as we love your city, your area, and your airport, with oil at $103 a barrel (have mercy...) we can't just throw nonstop service back in for "old times sake."
I hope this helps, Peter...but thanks for your passion. That may be the most amazing thing that has impressed me about the resurgence of New Orleans since the storm--it's the sense of civic unity you folks have discovered. I sure wish other cities (who shall remain nameless!) could discover that!
Bill
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02-25-2008
11:14 PM
9 Loves
Brian, yes, we were raised in parallel, and similar, universes. My Mom wanted SO badly to get on "Let's Make A Deal" but she could never convince Daddy to spend a while day of vacation standing in line dressed like a pair of dice. :)
Kathi, sweetie, I'd race around the planet with you in a heartbeat, but you are FAR to nice to be on "Survivor". Even Tina was meaner than you!!!! :)
And all--okay, I think an all-Airline-Employee version of the Race would be a **HOOT**. I'm in--I'll even take the leave of absence! (Hello, Gary, Pete....can I? Please? )
--Bill
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Guys, the MSY-OAK market was not a stellar performer. Flights might have been full, but most of those folks were going through New Orleans to/from Florida...and that traffic is now flowing over Houston, Austin, and San Antonio. If you really want the service to return, I'd suggest you do two things--one, work with local civic and business leaders to build support (meaning traffic) for the route....and two, use our existing, convenient connecting service between the two to prove how deep the market is!!!!!
--Bill
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