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Not So Silent Bob

cday
Frequent Flyer C

Many of you reached out to us via Twitter last night and today regarding a situation a Customer Twittered about that occurred on a Southwest flight.  It is not our customary method of Customer Relations to be so public in how we work through these situations, but with so many people involved in the occurrence, you also should be involved in the solution. First and foremost, to Mr. Smith; we would like to echo our Tweets and again offer our heartfelt apologies to you.   We are sincerely sorry for your travel experience on Southwest Airlines. 

As soon as we saw the first Tweet from Mr. Smith, we contacted him personally to apologize for his experience and to address his concerns on both Twitter and with a personal phone call. Since the situation has received a lot of public attention, we'd like to take the opportunity to address a few of the specifics here as well.

Mr. Smith originally purchased two Southwest seats on a flight from Oakland to Burbank – as he’s been known to do when traveling on Southwest.  He decided to change his plans and board an earlier flight to Burbank, which technically means flying standby. As you may know, airlines are not able to clear standby passengers until all Customers are boarded. When the time came to board Mr. Smith, we had only a single seat available for him to occupy. We are responsible for the Safety and comfort of all Customers on the aircraft and therefore, we made a judgment call that Mr. Smith needed more than one seat to complete his flight. Our Employees explained why the decision was made, accommodated Mr. Smith on a later flight, and issued him a $100 Southwest travel voucher for his inconvenience.

You've read about these situations before. Southwest instituted our Customer of Size policy more than 25 years ago. The policy requires passengers that can not fit safely and comfortably in one seat to purchase an additional seat while traveling. This policy is not unique to Southwest Airlines and it is not a revenue generator. Most, if not all, carriers have similar policies, but unique to Southwest is the refunding of the second seat purchased (if the flight does not oversell) which is greater than any revenue made (full policy can be found here). The spirit of this policy is based solely on Customer comfort and Safety. As a Company committed to serving our Customers in Safety and comfort, we feel the definitive boundary between seats is the armrest. If a Customer cannot comfortably lower the armrest and infringes on a portion of another seat, a Customer seated adjacent would be very uncomfortable and a timely exit from the aircraft in the event of an emergency might be compromised if we allow a cramped, restricted seating arrangement.

1,758 Comments
Anonymous3527
Explorer C
I'm only flying Southwest from now on. After spending 7 hours on a flight to Amsterdam on an unspecified airline based out of Houston, sitting next to a sweaty gentleman of ample girth, I applaud any airline that enforces a policy to keep individual's overflow out of my seat.
Anonymous1775
Explorer C
Kudos for kicking anyone off that takes up more that the space he paid for. BS that you appologized for it. How about sticking up for the rights of people that take up one seat worth of space. I have sat in your seats mayy times and had someone elses body in my space and you do nothing and that includes appologizing to me. I don't like others to be touching me but do you care, I don't think so. I would love to sit next to the president of even the lowly vice president and have my leg or upper body taking 1/4 of the their seat for 2 hours or more. Don't tell me that the seats are cheap and I get to meet exciting people. Cute real cute. I bet I have more miles on your airline that Kevin Smith has but I'm not as famous as him so I guess I don't count. When it happens again to me, I'll just get on line and slam Southwest every day, is that what you want?
ThatJames
Explorer C
The first two comments are obvious shills...they were posted before the blog post was even released. Very obvious, since the first two comments are regurgitating the SWA bs, when 99% of real people side with Kevin Smith on this one.
Rick_M
Explorer C
I have flown on SWA several times from Boise to Las Vegas and then off to MacArthur Airport on Long Island. Not once...but TWICE I have had the unpleasant experience of sitting in the middle of two obese people. I had to fold my arms and remain sedentary for the entire leg from Vegas to Long Island. Southwest never once addressed the issue on either occasion. On one instance a Flight Stewardess looked at me and shrugged. I knew she could see I was seething from the experience but gave me the shrug as to say..."Oh well...sucks to be you." I'll never forget either flight. I hated the entire experience. Anyways thought I would share that with you all. Southwest is a fun and reasonably priced flight typically...however I am gathering they do not enforce their size policy at all times. If your a simple Joe like me you just might be stuck in the middle. Oh and this is not PR these guys need. Why in the world is SW engaging Mr. Smith is beyond me. Rick
Anonymous755
Explorer C
Sorry, but if he was sitting next to me, I would be of fire...I do NOT want excess lard to invading my personal space I PAID FOR... Why should I me miserable because the guy next to me is a hog? THANK YOU SOUTHWEST
SD
Explorer C
I work for another airline. While we don't have a person of size policy I have seen the reactions of our passengers when they are assigned a seat near or next to a person of size. It's not pretty. I can't argue for or against Southwest as I wasn't there. However, I do know first hand the challanges a customer of size presents. It's hard on everybody. Harshness against everybody is really unnecessary unless you were involved. Have some compassion folks. We're all doing the best we can.
Anonymous3441
Explorer C
Wow. Epic public relations nightmare you have here, Southwest. I certainly don't envy your position having not only made a grievous error in judgment but inspiring so much hatred in others. Like many who have posted here, my family will not fly Southwest ever again. Further, as my occupation puts me in charge of travel purchasing for a large law firm (over 500 employees), I can assure you that I will authorize spending extra money with other airlines to ensure that Southwest never receives a cent of our money ever again.
Jas_N
Explorer C
wow, really blew this one southwest. I wonder how many other people without a huge following on twitter have had this happen to them and not been able to get anyone to listen to them. yeah, you guys really, really blew it. Makes me not want to fly SouthWest ever. How do I know I won't be singled out? I mean, that belt is tight. Should I have to pass a safety inspection before being allowed to board? Maybe you can make me get on a scale at the terminal in front of everyone.
Your_Name_Here
Explorer C
All the attention and outrage this issue is getting is making me happy as a clam, if only because I know that for every Kevin "1.6 million Twitter Followers" Smith, there's a million people out there who your crummy, overbooked airline has embarrassed, harassed, and humiliated for the sake of your stupid "Customer of Size" double ticket scam. Those stories never got told, but I'm betting there's a lot of folks out there laughing themselves silly now that you're getting your comeuppance. In short: Thanks for the warning that you're staffed by idiots, Southwest. I'll remember that next time I need to book a flight.
Anonymous1863
Explorer C
good for SW. to all the SW haters: STFU and lose some weight... you should be discriminated against when your sloven behavior inconveniences others.
Raven_Lee
Explorer C
This is very simple. Kevin Smith normally buys 2 seats so he doesn't have to talk to anyone. He is a celebrity. He was forced to take the later flight by SW airlines. He was placed on standby which forced him to only get 1 seat, not his normal 2 seats. While he is overweight, he is not any larger than the average American. I'm 5'10", weigh 280 lbs. and can easily fit into an airline seat. Perhaps the pilot was mistaken because Kevin Smith is short and this makes him seem wider? Anyway, if SW Airlines prefers to commit seppuku with their reputation, right after their current advertising buzz about being morally superior to other airlines, so be it. You have flushed millions down the drain as no amount of advertising will change this bad rep. A pilot is not a scientist. He is not God. What he deems to be overweight is his judgement call. Unless you are of the opinion that pilots are superior in judgement to normal humans, I'll point out to you the various crashes and to the two pilots who overflew their destination by hundreds of miles. Or the ones who were arrested for being drunk. Pilots are normal human beings, not demi-gods. They make many mistakes. Fortunately, there are many safeguards, such as extra pilots and navigators, auto-pilot, radar, atc, etc. that can prevent tragedy.
Chris_861
Explorer C
Good luck digging out of this one Southwest, I bet your P.R. Department is working overtime working on ways to fix this mess. The man's size does not constitute the purchase of two seats, on the same token if Kevin Smith was not famous, this issue would not be in the public's eye. Whoever decided to kick this man off of the plane made a horrible judgement call and your sales will confirm this in the next quarter.
Comic_Express_O
Explorer C
As we used to say in the '80's "Shut up and have a pop tart". I think both camps need to do this. While I may not agree with either said, it is fair to say I am larger than Mr Smith, and I have NEVER been requested to leave the plane because of my size. Then again, I have never been requested to leave the plane at all. Please let this be a reminder that some of us are larger than Mr Smith, and are able to slide right into the seat with the arm-rest already in the down position. It is my belief that the "Captain" may have had a problem with Mr Smith. Albeit he doesn't like his movies (some a little raw), or maybe the "Captain" tried out for one of the movies and was not picked, and therefore has chosen to take out his/her anger on any movie producer/writer that flies his/her flights. And to make this"apology" more of an apology, don't muck it up by offering just "$100" voucher. If I were the president of this company, I would make sure Mr. Smith is given at least 2 free 2 way fares to any place that we fly. This is just my ramblings, Comic Express Online Fred Burgess PS - all of you chicken heads that post anonymous, are you too afraid that Mr Smith will make fun of you on Twitter? So what, it's he was of release. Or are you afraid that SWA will ban you from their flights?
Anonymous4009
Explorer C
Just echoing that if he bought 2 seats in the first place, why only comp him one? Your bad, not his. I'm about to get on a plane next month, should I be worried? Because if I can't fly to my wedding, god help you guys when my fiancee gets there...
Bergroup
Explorer C
Every hour of every day TWENTY people will DIE from diseases and illnesses caused by obesity. 95% of these people are obese by choice! The same folks that complain about the high cost of medical insurance are some of the same people that are the CAUSE of the problem. Mr. Smith is obese by choice! The Captain did the right thing by kicking him off the plane. I only wish Southwest hadn't kissed his butt after the public uproar. Why our society places such a premium on famous people I'll never know.
madcowd23
Explorer C
I have nothing to say that hasn't been said before. Just simply add one more supporter for Kevin Smith and discount one more customer from flying SWA anytime in the future.
Anonymous4078
Explorer C
I've flown Southwest only one time: Christmas 2009 from San Jose, CA to Reno NV and back. It was a lot better than my previous flying experience many years ago when the Delta Airlines pilot, taxiing (sp?) to get onto the runway, left the pavement with the plane and got us stuck in the mud. The many hours of delays in Jackson, Mississippi and arranging flights the next day in Jackson caused me to miss my step-brother's memorial service. Because of this and all the so-called security measures, I made it a point NOT to fly anywhere if I could avoid it. No real apology from Delta. I'll never fly Delta again if there is an alternative. Anyway ... I finally relented somewhat and chose SWA to fly on my Christmas holiday. That was largely because of their "bags fly free" policy. If I was married ... oops ... wrong kind of bag. As I said, I had a good experience on the flight. Dealing with things in the airport is still a p.i.t.a. To the issue at hand, from what I have gleaned from the original story, or at least the version I have read, the Captain has the final say as to whether you get bumped off the flight or not. Maybe there should be some objective criteria here, not just how the captain feels. As to how many tickets were bought and whether he was on standby status or not, this is relatively immaterial. If SWA felt the need to apologize after many people brought this issue to light, SWA should have apologized before many people brought this to light. Better yet, this customer should have been treated with dignity and respect and not booted off of the plane because the captain "felt" the customer was too large. It seems as though the apology was just corporate spin control. God knows, companies NEVER EVER do this. Yeah, right. In conclusion, I don't exactly have any sympathy for SWA in this case. My sympathies are going to the customer that was treated so poorly. I will not boycott SWA for this (this does not rise to the standard that caused me to avoid Delta), but I certainly hope things like this do not happen again. OK, I'm an optimist. PJ
ednixon
Explorer C
Well, Southwest, this is a publicity disaster. Kevin Smith is not just a "person of size" , he is a VIP. Some airlines, well, most airlines (UA, VA, AA) have ways to deal with the famous and keep them flying with them. Apparently WN does not. Here is another clue. Kevin was flying not to MacWorld, but to a session in San Francisco for something called "International Bear Rendezvous" to speak to about 500 other big fat men about his production of "Bear Nation", a small indie film premiering at SXSW in Austin next month. Who do you think was a fan in that bunch to the "Person Of Size" policy ? Maybe nobody ? Not only is Kevin Smith a famous "person of size",. he is a major media figure that has the respect of a young demographic that Southwest should be courting, not alienating, regardless if they are fat or skinny. Try again. Good luck (sheesh !)
Anonymous2619
Explorer C
Southwest: The policy you hold has become an industry standard. Whether or not Kevin Smith was, in fact, too large to fit in the seat is the question he is proposing. I believe you are handling the situation, from a public relations perspective, marvelously. I would go further to say, as a Kevin Smith fan, his following is extremely loyal to him and will follow him arm and arm in the crusade against Southwest. (While this may not be true of the more rational fan base). With his new movie coming out, the whole thing may be a publicity stunt orchestrated by either him or his publicist (and a pretty effective one at that). It's unfortunate that a company's reputation has to suffer - however slightly or perhaps, in the long run, majorly - from it. I think it's a GREAT call on your part to not have offered him any exceptions in the way of customer service or refunds. That would have been, in my opinion, a fatal mistake. Those who complain with the biggest scenes are always given the greatest exceptions, and I've never agreed with that policy. I believe far more people would have been upset by this had you backed down and offered him crazy exceptions. (Also, it wouldn't have changed the minds of any of the Kevin Smith followers, anyway, as he seems to be unhappy regardless of what you have done.) Not-so-silent-Bob is not an offensive title? He is tweeting about this experience every couple of minutes for days now. It's better than saying Big-Mouthed-Bob-Is-More-Like-It, while that may be what you actually think right now. I suppose all I can say, as a fan of both brands, is that you have handled it to the best of your ability, and I hope that you have followed through on communications you have claimed. I'm sure the whole thing will die down by the time his movie opens.
Anonymous4078
Explorer C
I've flown Southwest only one time: Christmas 2009 from San Jose, CA to Reno NV and back. It was a lot better than my previous flying experience many years ago when the Delta Airlines pilot, taxiing (sp?) to get onto the runway, left the pavement with the plane and got us stuck in the mud. The many hours of delays in Jackson, Mississippi and arranging flights the next day in Jackson caused me to miss my step-brother's memorial service. Because of this and all the so-called security measures, I made it a point NOT to fly anywhere if I could avoid it. No real apology from Delta. I'll never fly Delta again if there is an alternative. Anyway ... I finally relented somewhat and chose SWA to fly on my Christmas holiday. That was largely because of their "bags fly free" policy. If I was married ... oops ... wrong kind of bag. As I said, I had a good experience on the flight. Dealing with things in the airport is still a p.i.t.a. To the issue at hand, from what I have gleaned from the original story, or at least the version I have read, the Captain has the final say as to whether you get bumped off the flight or not. Maybe there should be some objective criteria here, not just how the captain feels. As to how many tickets were bought and whether he was on standby status or not, this is relatively immaterial. If SWA felt the need to apologize after many people brought this issue to light, SWA should have apologized before many people brought this to light. Better yet, this customer should have been treated with dignity and respect and not booted off of the plane because the captain "felt" the customer was too large. It seems as though the apology was just corporate spin control. God knows, companies NEVER EVER do this. Yeah, right. In conclusion, I don't exactly have any sympathy for SWA in this case. My sympathies are going to the customer that was treated so poorly. I will not boycott SWA for this (this does not rise to the standard that caused me to avoid Delta), but I certainly hope things like this do not happen again. OK, I'm an optimist.
Anonymous22
Explorer C
Can Southwest force the jerk in front of/behind.next to me to buy another seat so I don't have to deal with his bad breath beacuse he smokes like a chimney? Or how about allowing me to buy the seat infront of me so I can keep the dickweek in front of me from reclining into my lap for the entire flight? So it's okay to discriminate against fat people but smokers and drunks and who stink are a-okay? Can you start checking people's breath and clothes at the gate so I can stop gagging on the plane please?
Anonymous755
Explorer C
Sorry, but if he was sitting next to me, I would be of fire...I do NOT want excess lard to invading my personal space I PAID FOR... Why should I Be miserable because the guy next to me is a hog? THANK YOU SOUTHWEST
seg89
Explorer C
Southwest Air - This is not an apology. First off I have been on SWA many times in the last decade. Not once was I ever asked to purchase another seat and trust me, I would be the one singled out to pay for an extra seat, my shoulders alone end up in my neighbors seat. I also can though put on the seat belt and lower the armrests. Second, if the Customer of Size policy SWA quotes above is the policy and has been in place for 25 years, why is SWA giving him a $100 voucher. (give me a break, like Kevin Smith wants a $100 to fly on SWA again) You are giving someone $100 voucher, that you freely admit is in violation of your policy. (This makes No Sense) Third, all of these people casting stones at heavy, fat , fatties, whatever you are calling them. Get a life!! As mentioned above, I am one of these people, yes it takes work to keep weight in check and sometimes you can and sometimes you can't, but who are you to equate being heavy with smelling bad, having bad hygiene and all the disgusting things you have written about overweight people. Guess what its you that have the problem, you are the one stereotyping us fat people. This is no different then saying things about people of different races, religions and skin color. Lastly, SWA your tongue and cheek act on your commercials are amusing and your fun attitude during boarding and announcements are cute. Those don't cross over to a "Heartfelt apology". Your title on the Apology is "Not So Silent Bob" is a weak attempt to make light of this situation. You should not take this lightly, as you can tell the customer you offended is not taking this lightly. You can hide behind this policy, but as you constantly remind us the "consumer", you are the anti-corporate airline. Unfortunately you made your bed, no you need to deal with it. Just deal with it correctly, admit that you made the mistake and move on.
Anonymous4436
Explorer C
I agree it seems like someone is looking for free publicity.
Anonymous755
Explorer C
Sorry, but if he was sitting next to me, I would be of fire...I do NOT want excess lard to invading my personal space I PAID FOR... Why should I Be miserable because the guy next to me is a hog? THANK YOU SOUTHWEST
Anonymous1856
Explorer C
This isn't how you effectively apologize to someone at all! Merely reading the title diminishes any “heartfelt” sincerity that is claimed to be passed along to Kevin Smith in the blog. What is the purpose of apologizing when it is back handed and rude? There is no excuse to be rude to a customer even if the customer is being rude to you in the first place. You do what you can to sincerely apologize and honestly explain the situation to the customer to the best of your knowledge and ability. It makes SouthWest look bad and makes me prone to side with Kevin Smith on this. SouthWest should have put more thought into this blog before it was written in order to give accurate facts and an accurate depiction of the events that occurred rather than something that is very sketchy. SouthWest doesn't clearly explain why they asked him to leave the plane at all. They jump around the issue and make excuses. If it was about going over weight limitations and balancing the plane… be honest about it! Find an intelligent and kind way to explain this to everyone.
ph
Explorer C
Keep up the good work SWA!
Anonymous317
Explorer C
This has got to be one of the worst airlines dealing with the public. How can they condone bigatry. For those of you who do not understand: : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance In this case it is a company that is the BIGOT. Look up the reasons for being overweight and thank god you are not afflicted. I know two that booked flights to their mothers funeral and SOUTHWEST denied them a flight even though the plane was half full. Both had thyroid problems that boosted their weight. They were denied for a medical issue and never asked or bothered to understand. They both had to take a train and missed their mothers funeral. I will never fly SOUTHWEST till they change their policy of discrimination and bigotry. And for the rest of you, is understanding and compassion within your understanding?
Anne_Hathaway
Explorer C
Hey Southwest Airlines, Since you are arbitrarily apply policies so randomly - like your discriminatory size policy - it's best you HOLD OFF on throwing people out their seats on FAT TUESDAY, tomorrow. It would be a BIG PUBLIC RELATIONS No-No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please make me believe in you, again.
J_10
Explorer C
Nice job SW - I will fly you any chance I get. Thanks for sticking-up for us "little guys".
C__Holland
Explorer C
It is inexcusable to handle his flight in this manner. Plenty of time for ticket agents to interact with him prior to boarding. Some insensitive people believe it is all right to bully ir single-out someone who carries a lot of weight, i.e., fat persons. If you agree with how the airline embarrased him, it is a shame because there are so many reasons weight problems occur: medication side effects, diet customs in a family or culture, lack of exercise time, no affordable gyms nearby, health or emotional problems and even heredity, it has been learned. My point is that onboard is not the place to address this. Meanness is not all right no matter how you justify what you did. This isn't a friendly airline, and we had even recently considered driving to Love Field to fly to Phoenix, but will stay with DFW's AA. I could look too large in my winter coat although I'm not heavy and my muscular, weightlifter husband might look too large in his parka to a mean-spirited crew member.
Fatty_in_NJ
Explorer C
STOP LYING! You know full well that from the time Mr. Smith boarded your aircraft, to the time the gate agent, WHO ISSUED HIM A STANDBY SEAT, that there was no way in the world that YOUR PILOT saw Mr Smith. You are lying by saying that the Pilot is the one who made the decision. You are also LYING when you talk about your discriminatory policy. Mr. SMITH DID FIT in the seat with BOTH ARMRESTS down, and DID NOT NEED an EXTENDER. FACE IT. You had someone on the jet way who took issue with MR. SMITH and chose to exact a ludicrous policy to embarrass him. EVEN THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT who welcomed Mr Smith on board had no issue with him. EVEN HIS SEAT MATES said that there was no problem. How about being an honest company. And if Comfort is such a big concern, may I request, that you kick of any children, women with lots of perfume, smokers, alcohol, business men with laptops, and others who encroach upon the comfort of other passengers.
Anonymous779
Explorer C
I have a LARGE family. Not in Girth, but in numbers. We live all over the country and are very close. We fly alot in order to visit. We have flown SW as often as possible. I was a major supporter when they didnt institute a gas fee when others did, and I love the no baggage fee. I will not fly SW again. It upsets me to no end that although my family and I are not obese one or two of us COULD be considered overweight and removed from a flight at the whim of an insensitive ass. I have noticed that customer service with SW has been really crappy and getting worse. My son (18, thin, and gorgeous was ALSO occurred in the Oakland airport. Maybe that particular airport needs a sensitivity training. My son's issue stemmed from his age and the flight attendant being a bitch to him because she could thing. This was just the final peg in the coffin for them as far as I am concerned. Family Reunion in FL coming up. Trip to Seattle, and another trip to HI in the works this year. We will all be flying another airline.
drdevon
Explorer C
So many of these comments misuse the word prejudice. Whether someone is excessively large for the comfort of many others around them is hardly a difficult matter requiring significant judgment - it's plain and easy to see. I am broad shouldered and athletic, but keep a 32" waist, and am tired of having to hunch sideways when someone who is unwilling to take ownership of their physical condition wants to take the space in which I paid to sit while in flight and not purchase additional space. Since it's apparent, and not judgement - it isn't prejudice, folks. It's observation and practical convenience. Yes, like everyone else who has problems (and we all do, think about it) heavy people are responsible for the consequences of their desire to eat and not work out. Handle it, whether it means you buy another seat and wait for a flight where you can be seated according to policy, or lose weight. This is not as serious or mysterious as the fat folks here wants us to believe it is - it's economic and pragmatic.
K_11
Explorer C
I was on a cross-country trip on American next to a person who was so obese once that my flight was extremely uncomfortable. I did receive some compensation for my unpleasant experience, and I think it's reasonable to ask someone who can't put the armrest down to move or have two seats. HOWEVER, the way Mr. Smith was treated, considering he COULD put the armrest down, in front of his fellow passengers was abysmal and shameful.
Anonymous1980
Explorer C
Why did you feel compelled to apologize for upholding a long-standing company rule? It's the customer who owed you an apology for implying that he was a victim. He was not. As a SW passenger and based on his size, he was required to purchase two seats. Because his preferred flight did not have two available seats, he had to wait for one that did. Smith's sense of entitlement is offensive.
Andy_T_
Explorer C
I flew Southwest from STL to LAX for the first time last October. SWA got a mark against them for luggage problems because they overbooked a flight. I tried to put my carry-on, which is under the limitations allowed, in an overhead compartment and there was no room above my seat. I asked the stewardess if there was any room anywhere else and she stated that I need to check it in without even looking elsewhere. I asked her again if there really wasn't any room for the bag and she stated that I needed to check it in and take my seat immediately. I wasn't even in the back of the line either. I reluctantly gave it to her to check in and took my seat. Then a guy across from me, LITERALLY ACROSS FROM ME, looked in the overhead compartment and saw a box. He asked if they could get rid of the box to put his carry-on in the overhead, guess what....NO PROBLEM. The girl was nice to him. Took the box out and he was accommodated for. That irked me. To add to that, a flight attendant came through and asked if anyone checked in a bag to raise our hand. She asked the customers ahead of me and gave out tickets and asked me if I was going to connecting flight to Oakland. I stated no & that LAX was my final destination but I had to check in my luggage due to no room. She then stated that I didn't have to take a ticket. Guess what? I arrived at LAX and sure enough...no luggage. 5 days later (thank god I had a long vacation), they found the luggage and sent it back to LAX so I could collect it. I received a $100 voucher for the inconvenience. Does my experience compare to Kevin Smith's issue, not sure. As far as the embarrassment, hell no. Inconvenience wise, yeah. One thing I will say to all the people are complaining about "fatties" sitting next to them. COMPLAIN ABOUT SOUTHWEST MAKING THE SEATS TOO SMALL! Seriously, I have flown American Airlines, United, Continental and SOUTHWEST makes the smallest damn seats that sit next to each other. The majority of Americans are overweight. If you are uncomfortable, unless you are a mute, ask your neighbors to try to suck it in or let them know to move their arm. Ridiculous.
Anonymous3177
Explorer C
I really feel safe knowing Southwest releases customer information (IE. saying Kevin Smith usually buys two seats) without the customers consent. I fly about 4x a month usually via Southwest, not anymore. If you would have just owned up it would not have gotten this bad, but you guys are STILL making yourself look like the true assholes you are.
Wes_Sanders
Explorer C
I support Southwest in their decision. People who fill two seats should be required to purchase two seats. In addition, I believe it may pose a safety risk to have people squished into a seat, who are unable to get up quickly, and who block the exit of other people.
Ty_Pergande
Explorer C
First for all the cowards and corporates posting anonymous, your label voids your points. Second for everyone screaming fatty , you KNEW the rules. Do some basic fact checking about the buying 2 seats, mr. Smith is very honest and forthright about it in his SMODcast #106. As for the morons defending the pilot, one who never laid eyes on mr. Smith and was merely an excuse for someone at the gate to be a rude, the southwest rep (or person claiming to be one) that contacted mr. Smith today said the pilot wasn't involved, and honestly unless he walked back to seating probally had no idea what was happening. As for Southwest, releasing a customer's personal information without their permission in a sad attempt to spin your lack customer service or consistency in policy is pathetic, shameful and hopefully costly in lost ticket sales. If you were more honest and less cover your ass you might have won some points for decency, now well you just look like greedy, heartless a-holes.
Anonymous2703
Explorer C
It seems anytime I sit next to a man, he assumes he gets both arm rests and spreads his knees to about six inches on either side of his seat ... no matter what his size. Are you going to start charging all men for two seats?
Stop_Eating_So_
Explorer C
a bunch of whiney fat americans, waaaa waaa lose some weight you chunksters, you're killing everyone else either by weighing down airplanes or by hoarding all the healthcare with your obesity related illnesses. fatties will be the downfall of the USA when they bankrupt medicare in 10 years.
Anonymous1328
Explorer C
It is amazing how stupid some of you people are! Read the SWA post. Really read it. It explains very well why he was denied boarding on the first flight. Did it ever cross your mind how much free publicity he is getting over this? That is what is is really all about. And captains don't normally get involved in this sort of stuff. There is a lot more to this story. I'm sure if the flight crew were allowed to tell their side you might think about this totally stupid publicity stunt in a different way. Get over it! This is not a tragedy! Haiti is a tragedy.
Anonymous1328
Explorer C
It is amazing how stupid some of you people are! Read the SWA post. Really read it. It explains very well why he was denied boarding on the first flight. Did it ever cross your mind how much free publicity he is getting over this? That is what it is really all about. And captains don't normally get involved in this sort of stuff. There is a lot more to this story. I'm sure if the flight crew were allowed to tell their side you might think about this totally stupid publicity stunt in a different way. Get over it! This is not a tragedy! Haiti is a tragedy.
Anonymous1328
Explorer C
It is amazing how stupid some of you people are! Read the SWA post. Really read it. It explains very well why he was denied boarding on the first flight. Did it ever cross your mind how much free publicity he is getting over this? That is what it is really all about. And captains don't normally get involved in this sort of stuff. There is a lot more to this story. I'm sure if the flight crew were allowed to tell their side you might think about this totally stupid publicity stunt in a different way. Get over it! This is not a tragedy! Haiti is a tragedy.
Tricia
Explorer C
My issue is if you're going to have a policy about weight, you CAN'T apply it arbitrarily. You should have a scale when passengers come to check in, EVERYONE should have to step on it. And you should also have a tape measure and if the passenger doesn't fit the correct measurements, they can either A.) buy a second ticket, or B.) fly elsewhere. Sounds ludicrous and invasive, right? I don't care if Southwest has had discriminatory practices since Christ's crucifixion...it's wrong. I don't want to leave my comfort and dignity in the hands of some random pilot or flight attendant who can deem me a 'safety risk' and summarily kick my ass off the flight. But no worries Southwest-I'll take my size 22 money to another airline where I don't run the risk of being shamed in front of a flight full of people.
Susan60
Explorer C
What about tall people whose legs are squished into the backs of the seats in the row in front of us because Southwest is too cheap to take even ONE row of seats out of coach and give passengers some leg space? are we PEOPLE OF LENGTH? PEOPLE OF HEIGHT? Why are you too cowardly to admit you can't even say the words "obese" or even "overweight." Creating the label "People of Size" is bigoted and wrong. We are ALL people of size. Shame on you, Southwest Airlines! I hope you lose a LOT of business over this. Thank you for shining a light on this airlines shabby treatment of its customers, Kevin Smith!
Denise7
Explorer C
Whether you like it or not, whether you think fat people are hideous, beautiful, or just freaking people, the facts are that at least half of the population of the United States is overweight or obese. Can Southwest really afford to piss off HALF of its market? In this economy? Get over yourself, Southwest. You can shove your "twenty-five year old policy" up your tiny, well-toned ass. This kind of BS goes on all the time, and the only reason Southwest is addressing it (in the form of a non-apology) is because Kevin Smith, well-known person, twittered the incident. The entire airline industry is a complete mess, made worse by the events of 9/11. I'm just waiting for it all to fall apart so a more fair, less crazy, industry can take its place. In the meantime, no flying Southwest.
Anonymous1625
Explorer C
THIS IS NOT AN APOLOGY. YOU ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY THE UNJUSTIFYABLE. STOP HARRASSING PEOPLE! GO KEVIN SMITH!
Anonymous4141
Explorer C
You also seem to be ignoring the second half of the story. Why was the young woman on the subsequent flight told she might have to buy a second seat when: A. The crew KNEW the seat between her and Kevin was already bought and paid for. B. The flight was not full. Boycott SWA.