This seems strange, I use Southwest Hotels fairly often (twice in December alone) and have never not gotten the room type I selected.
But echoing what others said, Southwest Hotels is a partnership between Southwest and Booking.com. Despite many dragging this partnership through the mud, it's not as bad as they say once you understand the partnership. I'd argue the same with Southwest Vacations, which I have also used.
--Jessica
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03-15-2023
06:53 PM
03-15-2023
06:53 PM
If you have a different flight number connection, it isn't the same plane. If you have a one stop, no plane change, it's the same number for both segments and you don't need to deplane.
--Jessica
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03-15-2023
06:51 PM
03-15-2023
06:51 PM
Southwest has always had the "3 payment types" rule which means that you can use up to 3 forms of payment to pay for a transaction. This includes credit cards, gift cards, LUV vouchers, and flight credit. If you have 3 $100 gift cards and you are trying to pay for a $500 flight, you can only use 2 gift cards, and another form of payment to cover the remaining balance.
--Jessica
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Yeah, Southwest doesn't issue membership "cards" anymore. Way back in the day, I got a paper membership card in the mail when I first became a Southwest member, but who knows where that is now lol.
--Jessica
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03-08-2023
03:20 PM
@tea14 wrote:
Keep getting an error saying there's a problem with one of my forms of payment. I am using Flight Credits and Gift Cards. I called Soutwest and she told me I must use a credit card for the taxes and fees. And so I still keep getting the same error even when I remove the flight credits and use gift card and credit card. Has anyone seen this problem?
I'm not sure if that is correct, if you have enough travel credit to cover the flight and the taxes and fees, you shouldn't have to enter a credit card. That aside, make sure all your CC info is correct if you are using one, typically expiration dates are the trickiest due to month/year formats and sometimes they make you enter a 2 digit year, a 4 digit year, and the slash inbetween month and year.
--Jessica
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03-08-2023
03:15 PM
I don't have any experience booking group flights. If a reservation was made for a certain date for a certain number of people, do you pay the price that it was when you initially made the reservation? This is what it sounds like, and you can also pay over time, so I'm not sure why you are being quoted a fare almost double the price unless you were given a quote at one time but never actually confirmed it and paid it.
The flights "doubling in price" are not applicable to what you see on Southwest.com, as group travel fares are different.
This is from the group travel FAQ:
I saw a lower fare available on Southwest.com® versus what I was quoted through Group Travel Services. Why?
Southwest.com fares and Group fares differ in many ways, and each offers its own unique benefits. The best option for you is determined by your travel needs. Southwest.com fares usually have limited quantities available. Group fares work best for parties of 10 or more who may require flexibility with name changes and payments.
https://www.southwest.com/help/booking/group-travel
--Jessica
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Yes, under 3.4 oz: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/toothpaste
--Jessica
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In case anyone missed it, Southwest announced last year that WiFi is one of the many things being upgraded on planes. Another is charging ports built into the seats. Another is more overhead bin space.
https://community.southwest.com/t5/Blog/Transforming-the-Customer-Experience/ba-p/141946
It takes time to roll everything out, and newer aircraft will get the changes. I doubt older planes (like the 700s and maybe even 800s) will get upgraded WiFi but time will tell.
Fun fact: WiFi (the word) has no meaning at all 😄 Seriously, look it up!
--Jessica
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@20424909422 wrote:
It is reported Southwest Airlines is reducing pilot flight time requirements in half for new pilots in order to meet your invented equity requirements.
'We don't want the best, most qualified, most professional pilots ---- we want pilots that are right color & gender'
Where did this quote come from? I can say with nearly 100% certainty that it is false.
--Jessica
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02-13-2023
08:49 AM
02-13-2023
08:49 AM
@fejeldy wrote:
This is not so much a discussion as some advice.
Southwest Airlines ... please, quit apologizing. Please.
I was in San Diego over Christmas, trying to get to back Oklahoma City the day before your system crashed. And crash it did, in grand style, and it should not have. I get, we all get it, and we trust you are getting it fixed and that it should be better than ever, top of the line, and first class, no pun intended. If not, you know, fool me once and all of that, but I trust you are already doing what it takes.
In the mean time ... please quit apologizing. You already have, a few times that I have seen, to a few reporters, to Congress (please, as if those people's hands are clean of anything), and to us.
As I said, I was in San Diego that night, trying to leave the next day, and it was a bad bad evening. But if you fly you have to figure things similar to this are going to happen. My wife and I were up until 2:00 AM that following morning figuring out how we were going to get home, and we figured it out.
Yes, we had to drive from San Diego to Palm Springs, yes we had to spring for a hotel room for one night, yes we had to fly home on American one day late, and yes our little Chihuahua had not spend one extra night in the kennel. BTW, it's a little murky now but we tried American and Delta, tried them from San Diego, Los Angeles, and Phoenix and if memory serves, if they could, it was ~ $2,500 per seat and ten or eleven hour flights. Don't let their sanctimony that night fool anyone.
But we got home, no one died, the dog was good and life has gone on.
Southwest, to their credit, apologized. And before I knew it Southwest deposited 50,000 points in my account just to say they were in fact sorry. And soon thereafter Southwest had a website set up to collect information to reimburse me for my trouble. $2,150 was in my bank WAY sooner than I ever expected to pay for an extra day of a rental car, a hotel room in Palm Springs, two tickets on American to get me home, and wait for it, the extra $17.50 for the extra day my little dog had to spend in lockup!
For my money, you guys are still the best. Get your $@!& together and we'll move on. I like everything about you guys from the gate people to the people inside the cabins.
Quit apologizing, move on, and thanks for making me whole so quickly.
I'm heading back to San Diego in late March, booking the ride right now on Southwest, and can't wait!
In full-disclosure, I'm not a business class kinda of guy. My wife and I rarely pay extra to grab the first fifteen seats in line. We fly in the middle of the pack just like most others. And I'm not a Southwest Corporate shill. Just a guy who loves Southwest and they way they handle their business.
BTW, a personal note to the trolls who may reply to this, I won't reply nor get in a discussion with you. I have said my piece, I respect your right to what you have to say, but we don't need to wear each other out with back and forth 🙂
Very well said! Thanks for posting.
--Jessica
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02-06-2023
02:19 PM
Are you saying you were close to A-List Preferred, your flight was cancelled, and you're still expecting to be awarded A-List Preferred?
That's typically not how things work - you did not receive enough points in the calendar year to qualify. However - Southwest gave many folks an extension to January 31 to fly and earn additional points. Did you take advantage of that? It's now February, so ... I'm guessing not.
Still - others who were granted an extension to January 31 were also extended their status for the entire year. I don't know the qualifications, but it's possible you could qualify for that.
--Jessica
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01-19-2023
04:00 PM
@TheMiddleSeat wrote:
While we're on the topic, this is a good time to remind anyone reading that booking through Southwest Vacations is also discouraged.
--TheMiddleSeat
Sorry, I disagree wholeheartedly. Firstly, the poster is talking about Southwest Hotels, not Southwest Vacations. 2 different things. Secondly, we should not be putting down Southwest Vacations with each and every post on these forums. Like it or not, Southwest has a prominent partnership with Southwest Vacations, and we should support and promote them positively.
With that said --
I'm sorry you had a bad experience with Southwest Hotels (not Vacations). When you book with Southwest Hotels, it it typically very clear on their web site which rates are fully refundable and which rates are not. Some rate offers charge you immediately, and some charge after the completion of your stay. Often these rates very in price.
As a FYI, I book with Southwest Hotels quite often, and I used to book with Southwest Vacations as well, with no problems. I only stopped with SW Vacations since I like to book my hotels and flights separately now, preferably with the hotel directly.
--Jessica
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@jazzpilot56 wrote:
Can't agree more. What a horrible abuse of the justice system. Just look at the Equifax class action lawsuit - people are getting like $6.00 for having there personal information completely compromised - now that's something egregious; but who's getting the money? Lawyers, like $7MM worth. What a joke.
Travel is an elective activity, no one is telling you that you have to travel and if you do which mode of transportation is appropriate. You can drive most places (obviously not Hawaii), take a train, boat, horseback, walk, etc. Obviously all of these modes have risks and benefits. You don't have to choose Southwest, there are other majors or you could go NetJets. No one's telling you that you must use Southwest. People choose it because it's inexpensive (most times, though not all), convenient, safe (they have an excellent safety record), and typically free from hassles. Are they perfect? No, no airline is.
However, Southwest is already doing the right thing, as they always do. They're reimbursing for cancelled travel, not charging extra for rescheduled flights (even though the new flights may be more expensive), as well as other expenses that they're not even obligated to pay for. They even just credited me $50 for Early Bird fees I lost because of my own fault! And they've extended the A-List / CP renewal until 1/31/23. Flights in January will count both to renewing status for 2023 and will count towards points for 2024 renewal. They even just gave me 50,000 points, totally unexpectedly. And I have to believe they'll keep doing continuous improvement as they have always done, including placing more emphasis of older systems (just like all airlines have done).
I hope these class-action vulture lawyers spend millions of dollars and then get laughed out of court. They're the only ones that benefit if they prevail. The other supposedly injured parties, will get pittens if anything. But sadly, it will cost Southwest millions to defend if it moves forward, money that could be better spent on the improvements already mentioned.
BTW, was I impacted? Absolutely. Our dream vacation we'd been planning to Marco Island for a year was cancelled, and I had to unwind all the reservations (hotel, restaurants, everglades tours, shelling, sunset cruise, etc.). But it wasn't the end of the world, slightly disappointing, but we stayed home and planned many other fun things. And we've rebooked the MI trip for later this year, it's all good!
I love Southwest because they provide an excellent service, they are reliable most of the time - of the hundreds and hundreds of flights I've taken over the years, mostly all on time, I've only been cancelled twice. Most importantly, they're one of if not the safest airlines for the routes I travel. That's an excellent record.
Sorry to see this happening. Just like Equifax, what a complete, utter, total waste.
This whole post is a breath of fresh air! Thanks for posting your thoughts.
--Jessica
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@TheConnection wrote:
I had a 12/28 Business Select flight cancelled. No way to rebook for any other flight. I sent a message. This appeared yesterday. That one flight would have renewed my Preferred status. I do have flights (Business Select) booked for first week of January. It says my status is extended through 1/31/23 now but I don’t know if that means the earning period is or the status. Also. If the earning proof is… I better be getting credit toward both 2022 AND 2023 status for January flights… otherwise they just shorted 2023 earning periods by a month! You’d think they would issue a formal statement.
Here is the latest:
Southwest will:
Extend the elite-qualifying period for 2022 status to include January 2023. In other words, if you have been earning toward A-list or A-list preferred but you ended up a segment or two short because of last week’s cancellations, you’re in luck — January 2023 travel will count along with your 2022 activity. Note that January will also count toward earning status in 2023 (for 2024).
Extend Companion Passes that are set to expire on 12/31/22 to now expire on 1/31/23. While it’s just one extra month, it means that those who missed out on a last chance to use their expiring Companion Pass will now get an extended last dance with it. Note that I don’t think this is reflecting yet in accounts, but I expect it will by 1/1.
https://frequentmiler.com/southwest-extends-companion-pass-and-qualifying-period-by-a-month/
--Jessica
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01-03-2023
07:49 AM
01-03-2023
07:49 AM
Someone else reported the same thing happened to them not long ago - did you look at the flight prices independently of this offer to confirm the price difference between tiers were the same as what the pop-up shows? I think that the popup is not showing the correct pricing for Business Select - and also, flight prices change literally all the time.
--Jessica
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01-03-2023
07:40 AM
Pro Tip for the future if you are worried about lost luggage is to have an Apple AirTag in your luggage so you can track your luggage wherabouts yourself. I just bought one, and everyone must have the same idea because they're sold out everywhere. Mine won't be delivered for over a week and I ordered from Apple.com.
--Jessica
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12-28-2022
03:52 PM
I’ve never heard of Southwest shipping luggage, is this something they are legitimately doing? Are you sure this was from Southwest? There are lots of scammers out there.
— Jessica
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@VeryUnsatisfied wrote:
I arrived into Chicago last night from Denver, and waited at baggage claim for 30 minutes before having to go ask where my bag was. The attendant looked it up and just shrugged, “oh, it’s still in Denver”.
Wait - how would they know that? Seems like an odd thing to say with certainty.
The solution for lost luggage and tracking it down has become easier with technology: buy an Apple AirTag and toss it in your luggage. You can track your bag practically in real time so you'll always know exactly where it is. There is an Android-equivalent called Tile Mate.
--Jessica
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@jbailey5280 wrote:
SWA is a publicly traded, multi billion dollar company. How could you have such a basic issue and literally zero response plan. Do they even read these forums?
1) Because for most, it works just fine.
2) Actually, Southwest does not. These forums are peer-to-peer, and while there are a few Southwest employees that maintain the forums, they are not here to actually resolve issues. For that, you need to contact Southwest using the Contact Us link below.
--Jessica
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12-19-2022
07:36 AM
12-19-2022
07:36 AM
Bumping because I saw this increased fare for the first time the other day and was wondering why it was double the price!
I don't know why I'm second guessing myself, but even if you had a 4+ hour layover, your checked bags will still be checked to its final destination, correct? I have an upcoming flight that has an exact 4 hour layover. What do they do with the bag all that time, just hold it?
--Jessica
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@TheMiddleSeat wrote:
Third option would be to book a hotel through Southwest hotels. You could book a cheap, local hotel, check-in and never actually stay there.
--TheMiddleSeat
Cheaper hotels probably won't give you the offers that are worth thousands of points, many just give you 1 point per dollar, but it all depends on the hotel / location / etc.
--Jessica
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12-16-2022
09:48 AM
I've never heard of expired credits showing on Southwest.com. If you want to extend those expired credits, you would need to contact Southwest.
--Jessica
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12-12-2022
02:17 PM
12-12-2022
02:17 PM
Ha! This tweet is what started the whole discussion:
"losing my mind, just offered the aisle seat to the guy sitting between me and my gf on a flight, and he said he’d rather stay in the middle seat between us"
And this is by far the best reply:
"Real energy vampire is the one who booked two seats apart and is now making it someone else’s problem"
I just don't understand how someone booked 2 seats *apart* from each other and then expected someone to move from their assigned seat? This obviously was not a Southwest flight, because it wouldn't happen!
--Jessica
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Upgrading all the way to Business Select from WGA for $52 seems cheap. WGA+ seems a little more believable but $52 seems too expensive to upgrade from WGA to WGA+! I wonder if the "promo" said something like upgrade "starting at $52" and it showed Business Select as the top tier, but $52 was for the WGA+ fare and the others were more expensive.
With that said, for all the years I have flown Southwest, I don't think I've ever gotten an offer to upgrade a month before my flight ... or I just ignore them lol.
--Jessica
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12-08-2022
08:47 PM
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Same here, I use PayPal frequently to pay, never run across an issue or this kind of error message.
When exactly do you get this error message? PayPal typically pops up in a new window to pay, so if you have popups blocked on whatever device or browser you are using, that could be a potential cause, and Southwest may be timing out because of that.
--Jessica
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Southwest aside, I don't typically use 3rd party sites to book hotels, if I'm not using Southwest I normally book direct, and the hotel rates were the same when I compared them.
--Jessica
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12-07-2022
02:15 PM
12-07-2022
02:15 PM
Wondering what happened to your favorite Southwest route? Here's what to know
Link: https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest-airlines-restore-network/
Among the biggest frustrations for longtime Southwest flyers over the past two years has been seeing the airline cut nonstop routes and flight frequencies, often forcing passengers to make a connection they otherwise could have avoided.
By the end of next year, that coronavirus pandemic-era problem should be gone, Southwest executives say.
The airline plans to have restored 90% of its pre-pandemic network by next summer, with all of it fully restored by the end of 2023.
Southwest Airlines' name is a misnomer. Over the 51 years since it was founded in Dallas, the airline has stretched its route map across the U.S. and parts of Mexico and Central America, with service and focus cities up and down the East Coast; throughout the Midwest, the Rocky Mountains and the Pacific Northwest; and even down to Hawaii.
In 2021, that route map stretched to more points than ever, with 18 new markets added to its network, a rare expansion story as the airline industry struggled to climb out of the worst of the pandemic slowdown. However, that expansion left it stretched thin, with more established routes and markets seeing fewer nonstop flights and frequencies.
As TPG reported last November, the airline planned to use 2022 to focus on restoring depth and density to its network.
"For next year and the year after, the No. 1 objective is to restore the network we had pre-pandemic," then-chief commercial officer Andrew Watterson told TPG at the time. "Especially in our business-type routes because those are the ones that have less frequency than they do before."
However, with travel demand proving unpredictably strong and erratic from the second half of last year, Southwest was cautious with details of its plans, declining to share details or a timeline of routes or frequencies that would be restored.
Now, a year in, Southwest says everything is going to plan. As such, the carrier was willing to share the expected timeline for its full restoration.
Of course, with those 18 new cities, "restore" isn't quite the right word, said Watterson, now the airline's chief operating officer, at a media briefing last week.
"We use words like 'restore,' which sounds like we're trying to get back to where we were, yet also, when we finish restoring, it'll be a completely different network than it was pre-COVID."
Notably, Southwest did not drop any cities from its network during the height of the pandemic. Instead, as travel slowed in 2020, and then as Southwest added new cities in 2021, the airline dropped routes, or point-to-point service. In some cases, it might restore a nonstop flight only to cut it later and shift resources to more in-demand routes.
This meant that for many Southwest passengers, instead of being able to book a nonstop flight, they would have to connect in one of Southwest's busier cities — something antithetical to Southwest's marketing model.
"We're a point-to-point carrier," vice president of network planning Adam Decaire said. "77% of our customers do not need to connect when they're flying Southwest Airlines. That's a big strength for us."
As demand has changed during the latter stages of the pandemic, though, restoring the network doesn't necessarily mean bringing it back exactly as it was.
"Full restoration ... is going to be different for each city," Decaire said. It doesn't mean they're going to get each trip back."
For the sake of restoration — or "reconstruction" of the network — some cities might see new nonstop routes rather than what existed pre-pandemic, based on needs.
For instance, "Amarillo had Houston nonstop service prior to the pandemic, but now they've added services to Austin and Denver," Decaire said. "They have their [total number of] trips back, but they're going to different destinations."
"I think some people would say 'no, I want my Houston flight back,' but we've got Denver from Amarillo, you've got additional flying there, and you can get to more of the network," he added. Southwest also operates three to four flights per day from Amarillo, Texas, to Dallas Love Field (DAL), allowing for more regional connectivity.
For those who ask about the specific routes from their home cities that have been cut, it's possible that you won't see those again, even as the airline restores service.
However, your home airport should have at least the same number of flights as it did before, meaning you can stay connected to the broader network — even if you might not get back that convenient route.
Notably, the timing to fully restore the network aligns with Southwest's planned timeline to optimize its certified pilot corps and fleet. The airline has a training backlog for pilots, meaning that even as it hires and recruits new aviators, it cannot fully staff its fleet, CEO Bob Jordan said last week.
"We have about 40 to 45 aircraft that basically can't be flown in a [daily flight schedule] because there are not enough pilots to fly them," Jordan said. "As we staff pilots, that will catch the aircraft growth in the back half of next year, most likely early fourth quarter."
Jordan added that the airline would be able to fly from 6% to 8% more capacity if its pilot growth matched its fleet growth.
During the media briefing, Watterson stressed that while the airline is eager to operate its entire fleet on a given day, the problem isn't even a true shortage of trained and current pilots compared to what the airline needs — it's that as Southwest has taken delivery of new planes from Boeing, the training schedule hasn't quite kept up.
"Boeing is delivering aircraft faster than we are training the pilots," Watterson said.
Airlines can only train a certain number of pilots at a time given available simulators and instructors. However, Southwest has a newly expanded simulator facility that executives said would help the airline end the backlog in 2023, according to its projections.
"It will be that way until the back half of next year, in which case the pilots [growth rates] cross over Boeing [delivery rates], and then we can use all of our aircraft," Watterson said. This would be just in time for the airline to complete its restoration plan.
All in all, it's a busy year ahead for Southwest — and everywhere it stretches.
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12-07-2022
10:06 AM
12-07-2022
10:06 AM
The only caveat I will say is that points *can* take weeks to post (the web site actually says 8 weeks) but in my experience, they post in a week or two.
--Jessica
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12-07-2022
10:05 AM
12-07-2022
10:05 AM
You get what you paid in the form of travel credit. So, if you paid $150 for a flight and cancel it, you get $150 in flight credit which never expires.
--Jessica
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People like to complain about Southwest Hotels, but I use it frequently and this is why:
2 nights at 2 different hotels, 13,000 points! The points posted just days after my stay, too.
--Jessica
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